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Monday Message Board

May 26th, 2003

It’s time for the Monday Message Board, where everyone gets to have their say on any topic (civilised discussion and no coarse language please).

I’ve managed to avoid comment on the downfall of the GG, so perhaps commentators will fill this glaring gap in my blog. But, as always, comments on any topic are welcome.

Tuesday update Lots of suggestions for a new GG. I’m backing Reithy myself.

And the other subthread relates to Collingwood-hatred. Joining in from his new site, , Tim Blair asks “Why do they hate us”, and promptly demonstrates why, by linking to this shameless piece of Victorian imperialism.

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  1. May 26th, 2003 at 10:50 | #1

    hamilton is again whinging about porn, ive got a post up at my site: http://www.zip.com.au/~zzz/blog/

  2. Me No No
    May 26th, 2003 at 11:06 | #2

    Who’s the next GG? I’ll tell you who I don’t want: that old ham Peter Cosgrove. He’s too close to Howard. He’s already made unwarranted forays into politics. He is a boofhead and the Tubby Taylor of GG contenders

    Just the sort of guy to rustle rustle up a palace coup if it looked like Howard would lose an election.

    I think Peter Reith should be the one. It would be the logical extension of the esteem in which this government holds the country and its institutions – and their subservience to its own interests.

    Given Reithy’s role in the Howard government’s re-election, the symbolism would be most apt: that shameless, grinning, lying idiot representing the country to itself.

    The circle would be complete. We would know there is a God and He has a master plan.

  3. malatesta
    May 26th, 2003 at 14:11 | #3

    Yes, there is a god. He lives in Texas. And he promulgates things like bill H.R.1298 – search on it at thomas

    The commandment is under Sec.104A


    (1) FINDINGS- Congress finds the following:

    (A) The United States provides more than 60 percent of all food assistance worldwide.

    (B) According to the United Nations World Food Program and other United Nations agencies, food insecurity of individuals infected or living with HIV/AIDS is a major problem in countries with large populations of such individuals, particularly in African countries.

    (C) Although the United States is willing to provide food assistance to these countries in need, a few of the countries object to part or all of the assistance because of fears of benign genetic modifications to the foods.

    (D) Healthy and nutritious foods for individuals infected or living with HIV/AIDS are an important complement to HIV/AIDS medicines for such individuals.

    (E) Individuals infected with HIV have higher nutritional requirements than individuals who are not infected with HIV, particularly with respect to the need for protein. Also, there is evidence to suggest that the full benefit of therapy to treat HIV/AIDS may not be achieved in individuals who are malnourished, particularly in pregnant and lactating women.

    (2) SENSE OF CONGRESS – It is therefore the sense of Congress that United States food assistance should be accepted by countries with large populations of individuals infected or living with HIV/AIDS, particularly African countries, in order to help feed such individuals.

    So, who was the uber-fool who convinced Beattie to stop the scrub-clearing, when there is billions to be ripped out by planting GM crops?
    And Treasury in Vic will be soiling their underwear, now GM-free Vic is on the blacklist. No more discounted IT from Redmond – expect to pay those hefty full fares from now on. Ouch! John Brumby can just give his credit card to BillG.

  4. May 26th, 2003 at 14:16 | #4

    Howard has normally displayed a pretty fine political touch on cultural matters, but he erred when he chose a cleric to be the GG.
    This was playing Right-wing identity politics with high office, in this case WASP identity politics (male caucasian christian conservative).
    This is no better than anti-British, anti-male, anti-christian Left-wing identity politics practised by the Keating’s PC brigade.
    The GG has to be above politics, including religious cultural politics, esp given the shaky stature of both the monarchy and the episcopacy in the current period.
    He should never have been selected for the position and he is correct to step down.
    If I had my druthers I would go for Sir William Deane as GG, Keating’s made such a good choice for GG he may have saved the monarchy.
    Failing that the GG should be a medical scientist,
    as this would concentrate aging boomers minds on their impending death.
    I wonder if this will mark the end of the Howard ascendancy in cultural civic matters?
    The Liberals can’t rely on a US-style right wing movement of entrepreneurs and believers to get them over the line. Australians are too tall poppyish and skeptical for that.
    The ALP has the advantage in socio-economic policy. Howard might be quietly praying for another international crisis of a domestic Left wing rort too emerge.

  5. May 26th, 2003 at 14:30 | #5

    How about a woman for a change? There must be a ton of them out there capable of doing the job?

  6. cs
    May 26th, 2003 at 14:52 | #6

    Good one MNN. Yeah, bring on Reithy. And let’s change the uniforms of the nation’s military forces so that they incorporate balaclavas.

  7. May 26th, 2003 at 16:33 | #7

    Here’s glory for you: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/24/1053585744742.html – look for the letter headlined “US ponderables”. It’s slightly edited, but broadly an honest rendering. (BTW, I’m more or less with Matthew Parris of http://www.spectator.co.uk in my more nuanced and general approach.)

  8. May 26th, 2003 at 17:52 | #8

    Collingwood should use Anthony Rocca in the ruck more often.

    There. I’ve said it.

  9. John
    May 26th, 2003 at 18:49 | #9

    I was watching a current affairs segment on the poor showing the Victorian AFL clubs have made so far this season. They interviewed interstate fans including a little girl (maybe 6) supporter of the Lions (I think). They asked her who she most liked to see beaten, and she named Collingwood.

    Ask why, she thought for a moment and said with a beatific smile “Because … I hate them”. ‘
    The future is in good hands, (though I would have preferred it if she had named Carlton).

  10. May 26th, 2003 at 20:01 | #10

    Me No No hit the nail on the head. Tubby Taylor for G-G. Better still, since Victorians are getting flogged at their own game, Howard should appoint the quintessential Victorian AFL player as G-G to lift Victorian spirits. Wayne Carey. You’d never again have to worry about children being abused, although wives might be more of a problem. Of course, the move to Adelaide probably hasn’t done his chances any good, so Gary Ablett may be a better choice as long as Howard’s prepared to overlook the drugs. At least their skeletons are well and truly out of the closet.

  11. May 26th, 2003 at 20:09 | #11

    Ah, but Ken, if Ablett were appointed, no doubt we hear the bleatings of “church and state!” all over again. A priest for GG is one thing; God himself quite another.

  12. May 26th, 2003 at 20:10 | #12

    And even Carey is fraught. How would republicans react to the King!?

  13. May 27th, 2003 at 00:23 | #13

    Re. the GG: I’m glad it’s over. Hopefully everyone will shut up about it.

    Traci Lords for GG. Her dirty laundry’s already out there.

  14. May 27th, 2003 at 00:52 | #14

    Wilson Tuckey!

  15. Scott Wickstein
    May 27th, 2003 at 01:37 | #15

    Just by the by, why don’t Victorian clubs have decent ruckmen anymore? Blair is right, Rocca needs to play in the ruck more often, but he shouldnt have to; Collingwood should have a proper ruckman.

    On Anzac Day, I had a good laugh watching the poseurs that pretended to be ruckmen miss easy ball-ups (Essendon are in as bad a way as Collingwood.)

    The AFL was a lot better when we had ruck duels like Madden vs Rehn and that sort of thing. Jurrasic Park at the MCG.

  16. May 27th, 2003 at 03:57 | #16

    Josh Fraser was supposed to be able to play footy. Meanwhile, Ricky Mott couldn’t get redrafted after not losing a tap in 2002.

  17. Ian
    May 27th, 2003 at 10:06 | #17

    John Howard is not likely to appoint a women as Governor-General. That is a choice as likely as female person playing ruck rover for Collingwood, or for that matter hooker for St George Illawarra or the Warratahs. Given these constraints, Tim Fisher would in my opinion make a good choice, but then he is his own man and a Republican to boot? Any candidate selected by the Prime Minister, exercising the royal prerogative, will inevitablly be subject to the scurtiny of public opinion and comparisions with past office holders. In my opinion the approval of Parliament is both necessary and condition democratic legitimacy for the Head of State. The game plan now requires the hard yards of constitutional change.

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