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October 1st, 2007

It’s time, once again for the Monday Message Board. As usual, civilised discussion and absolutely no coarse language, please.

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  1. Hermit
    October 1st, 2007 at 07:43 | #1

    I’m reading the ‘Be Climate Clever’ booklet that was in the Sunday papers. Shame about the trees that had to be pulped. The gist of it seems to be that voluntary conservation and technology will help a lot. I think it will take more stick and less carrot to get results. At the moment we agonise whether the new fridge will be the envy of the Joneses next door. However if and when emissions are actually capped the decision may become tangible.

    The other thing missing from the booklet is numbers, for example bar charts of current energy flows compared to targets. The bar for coal fired electricity
    would look like a skyscraper surrounded by bungalows. The size of the adjustments needed may be too daunting. I guess it’s a start.

  2. AnnaK
    October 1st, 2007 at 10:02 | #2

    Climate Clever?

    What about GetUp’s ‘Climate Cleverer’ ads that they showed during the AFL grand finals?

    Check it out – spoofing at its best:

    https://www.getup.org.au/campaign/ClimateCleverer&id=126

  3. October 1st, 2007 at 10:48 | #3

    Aaaaahhhhh!!!! My eyes!!! They burn!!

    Will this layout load more often than the 1 in 5 rate that you got with the blue one?

  4. jquiggin
    October 1st, 2007 at 14:37 | #4

    I’m trying a bunch of things, with at most modest success.

  5. stockingrate
    October 1st, 2007 at 19:59 | #5

    Climate Clever website:”As our population grows, so does our demand for energy, land, food and industrial products. This means more greenhouse gases are emitted into the Earth’s atmosphere each year.”

    ABC website :”The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) says Australia’s population rose by about 307,000 people over the year[to March 2007], which is its largest annual increase ever.”

    Migrants made up a staggering 54 per cent of the population growth, bringing Australia’s population to almost 21 million.

    Climate Clever website comments on restricting population growth: nil

  6. gerard
    October 1st, 2007 at 21:18 | #6

    Why is 54 percent so staggering? Australia’s birthrate is “too low”, which is why the government is chucking 5000 at people to have babies, and asking couples to have “one for mum, one for dad and one for the country”.

  7. BilB
    October 2nd, 2007 at 06:38 | #7

    Australia’s birthrate is just right. With the world population at 7 billion and still rising (for the time being) increasing Australia’s population from new stock versus relocated stock would be irresponsible. The arguement that the aging baby boomers need an army of young working slaves to fund their commfortable and long dotage is exceptionally self centred. If we are going to flood the country with immigrants to make up the work force to achieve the same then it would be wise to take a perspective from Fiji’s and Brittain’s dilemma.

  8. BilB
    October 2nd, 2007 at 17:15 | #8

    An after thought.

    Setting an immigration policy is a bit like writing a will. It should be constructed with great care. It is those who come after you who have to live with the consequences.

  9. schemingturkey
    October 3rd, 2007 at 07:26 | #9

    hey everyone,

    i just joined and wanted to say hi. :)

  10. October 3rd, 2007 at 16:56 | #10

    PrQ,
    If I remember correctly, you are not a great fan of game theory. Just wondering what you would think of this use of game theoryin the Kyoto context. Worth trying?

  11. Hank Roberts
    October 5th, 2007 at 05:35 | #11
  12. October 5th, 2007 at 11:31 | #12

    I’ve got an Amazon gift certificate burning holes in my pocket,
    and I want to get the most bang for my buck.

    Enter the Secret Amazon Web Pages:

    http://tinyurl.com/38sojf

    This is where you’re going to find the “latest sales, rebates, and limited-time offers” from
    Amazon, and you can score some pretty deep discounts if you’re a savvy shopper.

    Next, there’s the special Sale link. This is open every Friday, and ONLY on Fridays.

    You can find the same good discounts here as you would in hidden Deals, although some
    Fridays you can really get lucky and make off like an Amazon bandit – I’ve seen discounts
    there as low as 75% off sticker price.

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