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November 15th, 2009

It’s time again for weekend reflections, which makes space for longer than usual comments on any topic. I probably won’t do Monday Message Board (at least not on Monday), so this one has a few days to run.

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  1. Michael of Summer Hill
    November 15th, 2009 at 16:24 | #1

    Update, Update, Update, today Premier Rees Rees has proven the pundits wrong by removing the baggage from the NSW Ministry and accepting the resignations of Joe Tripodi and Ian Macdonald. What else can I say other than thumbs up Rees.

  2. Abraham
    November 15th, 2009 at 18:22 | #2

    This on top of his newfound determination to build the South-West rail line! Sometimes we’re pleasantly surprised.

  3. Alice
    November 15th, 2009 at 18:56 | #3

    @Michael of Summer Hill
    Whoooo hooo Moshie…!!! Thumbs up Rees! (Tripodi and McDonald gone. Vanishka! But what about Obeid?? Is he still there ??? Why?)

  4. November 15th, 2009 at 22:13 | #4

    It is a step in the right direction, but why doesn’t he do the job properly and sack himself as well and bring on an election, as that is the only way to purge the filth from NSW.

  5. paul walter
    November 15th, 2009 at 22:21 | #5

    It’s a government that could have done so much good. Instead it fell into the hands of the corrupt. Another example of what has been wasted over the last fifteen years as opportunities for a future, from the people who run things.

  6. Blabber
    November 16th, 2009 at 00:39 | #6

    The closed shop in Australia for medical specialists is beyond belief.

    Recent reports are that many obstetricians are making 4.5 million dollars a year from medicare alone! See here : http://www.theage.com.au/national/crackdown-on-doctor-rorts-20090506-avc2.html

    This is outrageous.

    When is someone going to take on this outrageous closed shop monopoly?, and particularly when are the so called right wing pro market people going to do something about it?

    I would love to see the same people who spout off about restrictive labor markets talk about this unbelievable rort.

    For more information see here: http://www.yourpaying.com

  7. Blabber
    November 16th, 2009 at 00:40 | #7

    The medical specialist closed shop rort is probably costing every Australian family $4,000 per year , and this is rising at $16 a week as we speak. An utter outrage, the number one target for economic reform in the country.

  8. Alice
    November 16th, 2009 at 05:28 | #8

    @paul walter
    Interestinly enough Paul Walter, the reason why the NSW state government fell into the hands of the corrupt is also likely to be strongly related to its being run by right wing fruit loops as well. Whats the alternative??

  9. Fran Barlow
    November 16th, 2009 at 06:17 | #9

    @Alice

    Well Rees has sacked Tripodi. Roozendale is still there of course.

  10. Alice
    November 16th, 2009 at 10:32 | #10

    @Fran Barlow
    Waiting…waiting… Fran. Slowly change is coming to NSW Labor – one unpopular (usually arrogant as well) minister at a time – lets hope it lasts. Im sick to death of seeing the ghoulish Roozendahl announce yet another nonsensical miserable privatisation. I hope all those rejects enjoy being on the back bench but why cant they be sacked outright? They will only plot and scheme to get their sorry selves back in, from the back stalls.

  11. paul walter
    November 16th, 2009 at 11:54 | #11

    Left wing fruit loops, Alice?

  12. Ikonoclast
    November 16th, 2009 at 12:02 | #12

    Worrying about who is in a minister’s chair is simply personality politics. Persons in high office (even PMs and Presidents) are simply powerless specks of foam carried on the giant rolling and boiling wave of human history. It is the sum total of the actions of the people en masse that makes human history not the gestures and mouthings of figureheads. I really wish we would get away from personality politics and focus on substantive issues.

  13. Fran Barlow
    November 16th, 2009 at 12:19 | #13

    @Ikonoclast

    I’m sympathetic to this view Ikon, but who sits in the minister’s chair is where susbatantive issues get implemented as policy. All the disccussion in the world is moot wiothout implmentation.

  14. Ikonoclast
    November 16th, 2009 at 17:30 | #14

    People don’t just discuss. They work, consume, breed, develop and innovate. They take direct action in all sorts of ways in developing the social world they live in. In other words, they bake pretty much the entire cake.

    Government is necessary of course and in a democracy it is just a formal crystallisation (ideally) of the will of the people. Again, it is the totality of government and administration in terms of personnel, rules, forms and structures that is important not who sits in ministerial chairs in any given year. For example, a competent government department is still far more important than a competent minister to head it.

    Behind these issues it is the complex of formal and informal interpenetrations between government and corporate and civil society that matter. Far more concerning than who sits in the minister’s chair is the issue of corporate culture suborning civil and political culture in our modern democracy. In other words we should be worrying not about who sits in the minister’s chair but rather about why, no matter who sits in it, they now do the bidding of corporate culture rather than of democractic citizen culture.

    The problem, I suspect, is to do with how we view and implement rights. Corporate “rights” have become too great relative to individual citizen rights.

  15. Alice
    November 16th, 2009 at 18:30 | #15

    @Ikonoclast
    says “Corporate “rights” have become too great relative to individual citizen rights.”

    I could not agree more Ikono – right down the the fact that the courts dont let the ATO freeze accounts where large tax bills are owed (the TPG / Myer case) and then the State government cant freeze proceeds of crime likely because it might infringe some corporate structures rights??

    Perhaps thats because too many corporates end up battling in the courts and not enough individuals because access to justice is way out of their reach financially – such that legal precendents end up focussing to a much greater extent on the rights of corporate structures particularly in cases involving government authorities. Maybe the law needs to consider the effects on a hypothetical ordinary man on street who is not in court, will not benefit from a pro company legal decision in these types of cases, yet who contributes to the cost through their taxes.

  16. gerard
    November 17th, 2009 at 09:07 | #16

    Wanted: Respected Whore

    The Chamber of Commerce recently blasted out a fundraising e-mail to its member groups asking for $50,000 to hire a “respected economist” to study the health-care bills. Seems sensible enough. Knowledge is power, and all that. But then, as Michael Shear reports, comes step two:

    “The economist will then circulate a sign-on letter to hundreds of other economists saying that the bill will kill jobs and hurt the economy. We will then be able to use this open letter to produce advertisements, and as a powerful lobbying and grass-roots document.”


    $50,000 to read some bills and circulate a pre-written letter? Nice work if you can get it.

  17. Alice
    November 17th, 2009 at 15:27 | #17

    @gerard
    Gerard – utterly creepy bunch of lunatics at work there in the Chamber of Commerce….obviously after destroying health care so they can whinge for tax cuts. Why dont they mind their own commerce instead of trying to get their trunks deeper into governments revenues.
    Nasty bits of work.

  18. November 17th, 2009 at 18:16 | #18

    Of course, Alice – they do it purely to be nasty and take benefits away from the always poverty striken working classes.
    Must be nice to live in a completely black and white world. Where is it?

  19. Freelander
    November 17th, 2009 at 18:58 | #19

    @gerard

    The economist would be as respected as many others and would probably be able to find plenty of colleagues to sign on. “Grass roots”, well Yes. I guess if they can’t hire anyone to pretend to be ‘grass roots’ the chamber of commerce can play dress up.

  20. Alice
    November 17th, 2009 at 19:58 | #20

    @Andrew Reynolds
    Andy – Chamber of Commerce want to minimise their tax ad have money to throw at that objective (even paid whore economists). Why would I stand back and not say my piece about that gredy lot trying to take away health care spending???

    Why Andy ?/ Its not all about what the Chamber of Commerce business employers want. Its about basic health care needs for workers as well.

    That does the economy good because we have a more effective and efficient labour force because the ill get treated and get back to work.

    Im not lopsided Andy. The Chamber of commerce and you should thank its lucky stars for healthcare expenditure by ogivernments. Healthy workers work better.

    Either that or the Chamber of Commerce members can pay health insurance for their workers. (now would they like that initiative any better? Would they hire a hack $3 economist tpo mount a grass roots campaign against that too? You bet they would Andy! and you know they would…the greedy b*****ds.

    Why do you always stick up for the elite Andy?? Im disappointed in you. We need the majority to be functioning at the best of their ability. You want to shrink the majority for a bloated rich minority.

    Very disappointed in you Andy – you have deminstrated your objectives time and time again in here…as a footsoldier for supra elite benefits.

    Ewww.

  21. Ikonoclast
    November 18th, 2009 at 20:35 | #21

    OK, Andrew Reynolds, why do the Chamber of Commerce want to stop benefits to the non-elite classes?

    Hint: Note the precision and irony of my last phrase. ;)

  22. Alice
    November 19th, 2009 at 11:10 | #22

    @Ikonoclast
    Ikono, the Chamber of Commerce want to strip resources from public healthcare so they get to pay lower income taxes, whilst their membership enjoys private healthcare because they can afford it and everyone who cant afford private health care can quietly go away and die in the interests of user pays efficiency gains.

  23. Alice
    November 19th, 2009 at 11:12 | #23

    @Ikonoclast
    The problem with the Chamber of Commerce is also that they wont stop at public healthcare. They will attack anything with the word public in front of it.

  24. Alice
    November 19th, 2009 at 11:18 | #24

    @Ikonoclast
    Id rather the Chamber of Commerce got back to minding their own business, instead of attempting to reduce their own personal or business income taxes at the wider community’s expense. If they devoted as much time to developing private business at the revenue end of the profit and loss and ceased attempting to discredit government infrastructure costs, we (including the Chamber of Commerce) would all be better off.
    One has to ask who are the interests running the Chamber of Commerce and do all their members feel the same way?

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