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August 13th, 2012

Another Monday Message Board. Post comments on any topic. As usual, civilised discussion and no coarse language. Lengthy side discussions to the sandpits, please.

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  1. Donald Oats
    August 13th, 2012 at 14:07 | #1

    The report of irregular refugee arrivals (ie by boat using people-smugglers) came out only an hour ago: Sky News is having a ball trying to whiteant it even before the Prime Minister has had a say on it; if they aren’t trying to whiteant it, then they were doing a woeful job of conveying the material of the report in a neutral manner. Gotta luv Sky, Go Sky!

    The Greens aren’t too happy about the off-shore processing.
    The Liberals don’t give a toss, even though Sky’s news banner now says the report largely supports the Liberal’s position.

    Labor are still wedged, just as before.

    Politics is so soul destroying to watch…something about being better off not knowing how sausages are made.

  2. TerjeP
    August 13th, 2012 at 16:52 | #2

    Donald – are you surprised?

  3. August 13th, 2012 at 19:39 | #3

    Was busy this morning, but when I saw the two Stasi-eyed Gretchens from the Greens on TV, looking furious, I knew it had to be a somewhat reasonable report.
    Quite surprising, as I’d always thought AC1 Houston to be a bit of a limp-wrist. Perhaps I was fooled by his obscure manner of speech, his inability to speak like an Australian.

  4. Freelander
    August 13th, 2012 at 20:21 | #4

    Wonder whether “speaking like an Australian” is worth putting on the resume?

    Wonder also why the word irregular is used? Seems pretty regular t me?. And people-smuggler? When the only people they seem to be concerned about being caught is not the cargo, but themselves? Things I will have to learn to “speak like an Australian”.

  5. Freelander
    August 13th, 2012 at 20:25 | #5

    Maybe we should say “refugee-transporter” rather than people-smuggler? Seems more accurate.

  6. Abhoth the Unclean
    August 13th, 2012 at 21:17 | #6

    We are all wedged I reckon (there is an Australianism for you). This whole people smuggler business and the references to their operations as a “business model” makes me sick. Towards the end of the slave trade the slave ship owners were blamed for slavery by the plantation owners. The Australian government actively polices international airports forcing refugees to take to the boats. Its time we stood up to the purveyors of bullshit. We should refuse to discuss the issue in terms of push and pull factors. These are the most powerless, desperate people in the world some of whom have been financed by their communities so that they can avoid torture and death. Where is our human compassion?

  7. August 13th, 2012 at 22:20 | #7

    It wasn’t meant to be a dig at AC1 Houston coz he isn’t an Aussie, just that he isn’t easy to listen to. (eg, think “Kevin Rudd” rather than “Neville Wran”)
    One has to decipher what Houston says, & then only after listening carefully.

  8. jrkrideau
    August 14th, 2012 at 02:23 | #8

    @Freelander
    “Wonder whether “speaking like an Australian” is worth putting on the resume?”
    As a somewhat regular reader here, I have just started my handy Aussie Dictionary so maybe I can fake it in a few years when I try to emigrate from Canada. I’ll throw in a few terms–any suggestions?

  9. Freelander
    August 14th, 2012 at 02:43 | #9

    “Throw another tax dodger on the Barbie.”?

  10. Katz
    August 14th, 2012 at 07:28 | #10

    Most asylum seekers transported by Howard to Nauru ended up in Australia because, surprise-surprise, the were found to be refugees.

    I predict that Nauru will not be a significant deterrent. To add irksomeness, and perhaps to “break the people smugglers’ business model”, asylum seekers should be compelled to read Howard’s Autobiography.

  11. Ken Fabian
    August 14th, 2012 at 09:49 | #11

    Katz, I think the fact that most of those sent to Nauru ended up in Australia is something proponents of offshore processing emphatically don’t want highlighted. The Deterrent value was irretrievably lost when that happened but for politically expedient purposes pretending otherwise looks to be a winner. Unfortunately I think that, despite professions to the contrary, this is a winner because it appeals to the dumb, drunk and racist streak that runs through Australia. I also think that those promoting it are politically astute enough that I believe they are fully aware of it.

  12. August 14th, 2012 at 09:54 | #12

    This is shameful.

    Chris Bowen in 2008:

    ‘The Pacific solution was a cynical, costly and ultimately unsuccessful exercise introduced on the eve of a Federal election by the Howard Government.’

    Politically, this is the Federal ALP equivalent of Qld’s asset sales (ie: unpopular, against their own previous position, favoured by the LNP) and will probably be one of the key factors if they get obliterated at the next election – and rightly so.

    The ALP is a disgrace.

  13. may
    August 14th, 2012 at 12:24 | #13

    is the immigration dept going to be processing the people or has a profit taking corporation been funded on contract from the public purse?

    as a business case a profit taker would be mad not to be on the intake side (boat hire,payment arrangements,etc)as well as the out-take side.
    jeez i’m cynical.

    the contracting out of government responsibilies was a howard govt action was it not?

  14. Doug
    August 14th, 2012 at 18:27 | #14

    Refugees are going to be held for an equivalent time to that of refugees who remain offshore in Malaysia. Even with a slowly expanded quota that means people will have to remain on Nauru or Manus Island for 8 years. Ken Parish on Club Troppo has a good piece on some of the legal issues that are likely to arise from this initiative.

    Perhaps this is a Machiavellian move by the Government to get them through to the next election and leave Tony Abbot to deal with the legal mess that will inevitably follow.

  15. Freelander
    August 14th, 2012 at 20:01 | #15

    Australia and other countries signed and ratified agreements that gave asylum seekers the right to turn up and claim asylum. Characterizing those who help them, whether they’re paid or otherwise as criminals, confiscating their boats so they only risk losing substandard boats,and throwing numerous obstacles in the way is simply hypocrisy.

  16. August 15th, 2012 at 09:29 | #16

    I was just reading about how there were almost no electricity peaks where the price went over $5 a kilowatt-hour last financial year. The lack of heatwaves and efficiency were important in this, but so was the spread of point of use solar PV. Given the rapid expansion of solar power, I suspect that we might be done with $5+ spot prices in South Australia and that the other states will soon follow.

    The article is here: http://reneweconomy.com.au/2012/where-did-all-the-energy-demand-peaks-go-95116

  17. August 16th, 2012 at 01:40 | #17

    The Groundwater Footprint: The Privatisation of the World’s Water Resources

    The sale of Australian agricultural land and water resources to foreign interests is only part of a global trend. The IPCC document HS 15332 Climate Change Impacts: Securitization of Water, Food, Soil, Health, Energy and Migration explains how the UN plans to secure resources to use at their disposal. Through the International Monetary Fund (IMF) under-developed countries are forced to sell their resources to the global Elite as “full cost recovery” to the global central bankers. Once those resources are under the complete control of the creditors, they become assets to be reallocated back to the enslaved nations for a price.

  18. August 16th, 2012 at 03:14 | #18

    Syrian Journalists’ Union Calls for more Struggle in Defense of Free Speech

    In a statement on Wednesday on the occasion of the Syrian Journalists’ Day, the Union called for more struggle in defense of free speech.

    “Syria is targeted by a conspiracy that aims at fragmenting the Arab nation …”

    The Union said that the Syrian journalists are shouldering their responsibilities in defending Syria, indicating that they paid a heavy price to reveal the truth about what is happening on the ground.

  19. August 20th, 2012 at 14:32 | #19

    All Australians to be treated as terrorist suspects?

    This article contains James Sinnamon’s submission to the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security (PJCIS) which wants to pass new laws to make all your emails and other internet transactions up to two years back accessible to the Australian Government.

  20. August 20th, 2012 at 23:49 | #20

    All Australians to be Treated as Terrorist Suspects?

    (Now also published on Global Research. Republication elsewhere welcome.)

    Australian Government wants to read your private business and personal correspondence

    - by James Sinnamon – 2012-08-20

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