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The reality wars are over. Reality won.

November 13th, 2012

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  1. Ernestine Gross
    November 16th, 2012 at 15:36 | #1

    Good point, Jim Birch, when you write about “make reality-based decisions’ in the context of the size of Australia and its physical properties.

    “ideological incompetence” is a good one, too.

  2. Jim Rose
    November 16th, 2012 at 18:03 | #2

    Mel, from http://economistsforromney.com/
    • Reduce marginal tax rates on business and wage incomes and broaden the tax base to increase investment, jobs, and living standards.
    • End the exploding federal debt by controlling the growth of spending so federal spending does not exceed 20 percent of the economy.
    • Restructure regulation to end “too big to fail,” improve credit availability to entrepreneurs and small businesses, and increase regulatory accountability, and ensure that all regulations pass rigorous benefit-cost tests.
    • Improve our Social Security and Medicare programs by reducing their growth to sustainable levels, ensuring their viability over the long term, and protecting those in or near retirement.
    • Reform our healthcare system to harness market forces and thereby reduce costs and increase quality, empowering patients and doctors, rather than the federal bureaucracy.
    • Promote energy policies that increase domestic production, enlarge the use of all western hemisphere resources, encourage the use of new technologies, end wasteful subsidies, and rely more on market forces and less on government planners.

  3. Chris Warren
    November 16th, 2012 at 19:56 | #3

    @Jordan

    You need to be clearer wiht what you mean as private property. Is it personal private property, or private property in means of production.

    You cannot blame private (personal) property instinct as everyone wants possessions to improve life (even Robinson Crusoe).

    It is beholden on any economic system to serve and enhance this aspect.

    When bureaucrats took decision making away, this was done on the basis of gaining a free hand to solve a supposed economic crisis. (At least in the example of the shipworks used in the Brit. J. Pol. Sc., Shabad article I referenced).

    This was NOT a private property instinct. It is a forced deformation occasioned by economic circumstances.

    You cannot blame people for having natural instincts. Supposedly abolishing a private property “instinct” or economy does no good if collective property, and new communal “instinct” then seeks capitalist profits and debt-derived (hopeful) advantages – which often do not become true in reality.

  4. Jordan
    November 16th, 2012 at 21:02 | #4

    @Chris Warren
    I do not blame people for having natural instincts. I just state the proces and reasoning. I am not saying that such instinct should not be there, but just to know why workers collectives fail sometimes.
    Here is more about the process but since is a collections of writings from a lot of phylosphers and statesman it is sometimes contradictory but invaluable insigts.
    http://balkanologie.revues.org/index681.html
    Contradictions are that some claim that self-governing never reached further then factory level and sometimes claim that it wasn’t allowed but still claims that did not succede that which wasn’t implemented.

  5. Jordan
    November 16th, 2012 at 21:54 | #5

    Again in moderation, links are blocking it there, so i am reposting it with broken up link.

    I do not blame people for having natural instincts. I just state the proces and reasoning. I am not saying that such instinct should not be there, but just to know why workers collectives fail sometimes.
    Here is more about the process but since is a collections of writings from a lot of phylosphers and statesman it is sometimes contradictory but invaluable insigts.

    http : // balkanologie. revues.org / index681. html

    Contradictions are that some claim that self-governing never reached further then factory level and sometimes claim that it wasn’t allowed but still claims that did not succede that which wasn’t implemented.

    Self-governing is an idea Tito picked up in Spanish Civil War from Barcelona Commune which was destroyed by Stallin. It is something very close to banishing private property willingly, idealisticly for greater purpose.
    Close but not it, there was private property but in limited ammounts, houses, cars, land up to a subsistence size. The reasoning is simillar as progresive taxes in order to feed hungry and those that do not have subsistance level earnings, except measured in wealth not in income. Erradicatind private property as ideal but not really practical.
    I am talking about private property instinct as an instinct to distribute results of production, which was supposed to delivered to every employee equally, towards themselves even tough belonges to everyone equaly.
    Something as stocks that are equally divided, but bureaocracy is deciding what ammount dividend is going to whom. And they made up reasons why it should go more to them.

  6. rog
    November 17th, 2012 at 03:47 | #6

    Back to reality :) polls suggest that both Obama and Romney have improved their standing post election as have the Dems the diff being Obama/Dems are more popular. It seems that everybody is happy with the election outcome.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/158849/views-obama-democrats-election.aspx

  7. Chris Warren
    November 17th, 2012 at 22:35 | #7

    @Jordan

    Self management was not an idea that Tito picked up in Spain. It was based on a deeper reassessment by a group of post WWII communists around Kardelj. The inspiration was a deliberate effort to reject central planning and “Go back to Marx” particularly starting from Rochdale workers and associated labour.

    having personal property in houses, land, and cars etc is NOT “limited”. It is drawing a distinction between reasonable private (personal) property and unreasonable private property which can only be explained by social forces.

    There no “supposed to delivered to every employee equally”.

    However the bureaucrats did seize more than their reasonable share as in China and Vietnam. But nothing like as under full-blown capitalism, and for different reasons that may offer long-term hopes.

  8. Jordan
    November 18th, 2012 at 05:22 | #8

    @Chris Warren
    Sory for the lack of vocabulary in order to express myself more persicely.
    You are closer to the way it was then my description but only to those that you pointed out. Except about the idea.
    Here is description of Barcelona Commune, since it is long writing, read Industry chapter and a bit more after it. It is a nice description of what Tito and Kardelj attempted. Both of them fought in Spanish civil war
    Since it is very similar to set up in Yugoslavia, i deduct that they picked it up from there.

    http : // http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/scw/anarchist. htm

    The link is broken up so it does not stop in moderation again.

  9. Jordan
    November 18th, 2012 at 05:24 | #9

    @Chris Warren
    Sory for the lack of vocabulary in order to express myself more persicely.
    You are closer to the way it was then my description but only to those that you pointed out. Except about the idea.
    Here is description of Barcelona Commune, since it is long writing, read Industry chapter and a bit more after it. It is a nice description of what Tito and Kardelj attempted. Both of them fought in Spanish civil war
    Since it is very similar to set up in Yugoslavia, i deduct that they picked it up from there.

    http : // www . english.illinois.edu/maps/scw/anarchist . htm

    The link is broken up so it does not stop in moderation again.

  10. ratee
    November 20th, 2012 at 13:48 | #10

    The last word. A friend flicked this to me to amuse me and I thought of this chat room.

    http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page

    This is not going away if anything it just gets weirder and weirder.

  11. MG42
    November 20th, 2012 at 14:14 | #11

    ratee :
    The last word. A friend flicked this to me to amuse me and I thought of this chat room.
    http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page
    This is not going away if anything it just gets weirder and weirder.

    Concerning Conservapedia, there are three possibilities. One is that it is a massive satire project to build on the traditional RW talking points and push them just beyond the point of rationality. A second is that the owners/admins of the site are seriously, in a clinical sense, mentally ill and desperately need some help. The most horrifying possibility is that all information there is 100% legitimate and represents the measures to which those responsible for the site and their thousands of followers can be so heavily invested in their particular reality bubble.

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