Lavoisier, again

Tim Lambert links to a not-very-flattering profile of the Lavoisier Group, whose members appear to be mostly elderly gentlemen who believe that, if we all wish hard enough, Tinkerbell will summon the ghost of Lavoisier and make that nasty global warming go away.

Connoisseurs of the Australian network of right-wing front groups will not be surprised to find the inevitable Ray Evans, former executive officer of WMC, President of the HR Nicholls Society, Secretary of the Bennelong Society and Treasurer of the Samuel Griffith Society has found time in his busy life to act as secretary of, and main contact for, the Lavoisier Group.

The front groups I used to deal with thirty years ago, Concerned Stalinists for Peace and so on, made a bit more of an effort than these guys, who even, according to commenter Julian Russell, share the same IP address. I feel sorry for the handful of genuine sceptics who’ve been sucked into this deplorable scam.

82 thoughts on “Lavoisier, again

  1. simon, I agree with you that the global warming alarmists may have hurt their own cause. Schneider himself may have realised this and moderated his earlier views (or his presentation of them), judging by the balanced testimony he gave in 1997 (I presume to a Senate committee) which Ken Miles linked to above. The problem with scientists exaggerating the dangers of global warming (or anything else) is that public policy makers tend to become aware of the exaggerations, and subsequently apply a discount to other evidence on the subject. Further, this tends to spread to scientists in other fields as well, lowering the reputation of science generally.

    John, as to your point that the scientific community makes huge profit from global warming scares, I don’t think there is actually much evidence of this. Funding for climatology research has not increased as a result of the global warming issue, rather the reverse if anything (certainly in the US, which probably spends as much on research as the rest of the world combined). And as I noted above, it’s hardly promoting your cause, even if you do get increased funding, if nobody wants to listen to what you say. However, I agree that public policy should be left in the hands of those charged with it, rather than scientists. It may be frustrating to scientists that politicians have to deal with the possible, rather than the perfect, but that’s politics.

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  4. Paul,

    “Well they would say that, wouldn’t they?”

    If you want people to insure their homes against storm damage, do you:

    a) donwplay the risk of volatile weather, thereby reducing the incentive to insure; OR
    b) exaggerate the risk of volatile weather, thereby increasing the incentive to insure?

    The source for the article, Munich Re, is the world’s largest reinsurer, i.e. the company that picks up the tab for lots of catastrophe losses. They have a significant incentive to encourage the purchase of insurance.

    The figure for insured losses is a bad indicator for the volatility of weather given it only measures damage to INSURED property, most of which happens to be located in North America, Europe and Japan. Specifically, the single largest natural hazard to insured property is windstorms – one bad hurricane season in the North Atlantic (like we had last year) can generate massive insured losses, but have little connection with weather volatility elsewhere on the planet.

    The article also didn’t mention that the years 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003 were unusually benign for natural catastrophes, both in total economic losses and insured losses. But good news isn’t always newsworthy, is it?

  5. Regarding Ray Evans (H R Nicholls Society and Lavoiser Society) the output of has hardly been prodigious. Labour market reform has hardly gone one notch since Fraser lost in 1983 and even if the govt is not signing Kyoto it is talking about limiting emissions on what I believe are spurious environmental grounds. I know that many people on the right are disappointed with Evans’ efforts and believe he should move over and let someone else have a go.

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