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  1. rog, I have seen the Black-throated finch in parts of northern Queensland while birdwatching there. Mainly in the area west of Mount Carbine. It is scarce and hard to find. But I hardly think its survival prospects will hinge on Adani. There are other issues that will determine that – it seems reasonably adapted to living on cleared pastureland with some woodland and a water supply.

    Adani can be opposed on many grounds – general environmental damage and climate change impacts are among them – but I don’t think that, reasonably, conservation of the Black-throated finch is one.

    I think conservationists should be scrupulously accurate.

  2. HC said:
    “I think conservationists should be scrupulously accurate.”

    I say “people with a personal anecdote and minimal domain knowledge should be scrupulously accrate”

    Hc, here:
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/16/news-corp-attacks-scientists-assessing-adani-coalmine-and-ignores-science

    And even worse -anti-science…

    “The electoral law may compel us to turn out to vote, but it can’t make us vote rationally. The government is counting on it. ”
    Peter Hartcher today.”

    The government is counting on you hc.

    Here is some accuracy. 

    Logic
    1) The mining lease on your property. Because ‘we’ have already removed from your use hc, 88% of your life space,  we are now going to offset you to “adapted to living on cleared pastureland with some woodland and a water supply.” Of 12%. Sound fair?

    Science – How to send finch to extinction…
    2) https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2019/01/how-send-finch-extinct

    “Only one out of the 775 projects – a housing development near Townsville – was refused because of an unacceptable impact on the finch.

    “All of these proposed projects for the finch’s habitat were assessed independently, so the cumulative impact is not properly considered – it’s death by a thousand cuts.

    “And an additional 500,000 hectares of likely finch habitat was cleared without referral to the Federal Government.”
    The research is published in Environmental Science and Policy (DOI: 10.1016/j.envsci.2019.01.005).

    3) https://www.acf.org.au/black_throated_finch_habitat
    “Australia and Queensland have laws to protect threatened species, but they’re failing to do just that.” … “Only one out of the 775 projects – a housing development near Townsville – was refused because of an unacceptable impact on the finch.”

  3. KT2, OK a reasonable rap on the knuckles. The Menkhorst et al, Australian Bird Guide describes the BTF as “locally common in in Qld” and the Atlas of Australian Birds shows an extensive range across that area. The greatest concentration of the species is well south of Carmichael. Yes, it is scarce, but you have a good chance of seeing it in much of n Queensland below Cape York.

  4. Harry

    Your personal observations does not mean that the bird is not in danger or that the study group is unable to properly assess the risk or that the study itself is flawed.

    Its a bit like Trump going outside on cold day and using that observation to justify pulling out of the Paris Agreement.

  5. That’s true Rog and my mea culpa above confirms that I accept this. The ICN classify the Black-throated finch as a species of “least concern” when it comes to conservation. The southern sub-species has a contracting range but I think it isn’t affected by Carmichael. I am all for conservation – a strong supporter of the conservation movement. But I also think we should concentrate on the pressing issues and not trot out a species conservation concern when we have some other objective in mind.

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