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John Quiggin 
You may well perceive a half-full glass, Razor. The folks at the PNAC, having at first fawned all over the more spittle-flecked members of the Bush clique, have recently come to a much less favourable conclusion. Their conclusion can be summed up in two words: insufficient sacrifice.
Unlike you, the PNAC perceive that it’s too early to call a happy outcome to jumping out of a ten storey building when you’re five storeys down.
As to Condi and the PNAC. Condi liked the PNAC when the Chimp liked the PNAC. (The Chimp liked the PNAC because Cheney told him to). Now that the Chimp and the PNAC aren’t on pleasant speaking terms, Condi doesn’t know what to think. There’s a vacancy for a guiding hand inside that particular glove puppet.
Maybe it’ll be a PNAC hand. As I suggested in my first post, it’s too early to tell.
Meanwhile the PNAC is imploring the Bush Clique to flap their arms very hard because the pavement is getting uncomfortably close.
Andrew Reynolds says:
Howard said:
Howard made a claim of certainty. That was, um, a lie.
I am way past the Bush is responsible for climate change argument (noting the change from global warming – 20 years ago it was going to be an ice age and we should have run out of oil by now, too, and if the science is correct Kyoto would have achieved SFA to reduce climate change, and both sides of the US Politics voted unanimously against ratifying Kyoto – Bush didn’t have any say in that – but don’t let the facts get in the way of a good scare campaign).
As for the PNAC stuff – big deal! Politics is about getting elected and that often requires compromise. That’s why it is the Republican Party and not PNAC in power. (That’s what stops me going into politics – compromising principles shits me up the wall – the politicians can keep it.) I don’t like the big taxing, big spending of the Howard and Bush Goverments, but their general direction on most things craps all over the ALP and Democrats (US).
As for the jumping out the window analogy – just one problem there – the voters had four years to live with Bush and longer with Howard and voted them both back in with increased margins (And the Iraqi and Afghani people appear to like voting too!!). So what you are saying is that the majority of the populations in both countries are too dumb to understand that their reality is not reality and they can’t see what is really going on. Give me a break. That’s why the Democrats and the ALP are on the back foot – they don’t connect with the majority of the population.
“You remember the tsunami? How fast did we get our WHITE AMERICAN tourist out of there?? Exactly.”
Becky-you want a taxi tonight? Fine, but try New Year’s Eve.
“How come we can send 10000 troops to Iraq overnight but not to our own state in 1 day? It is either a CLASS or RACE issue we are dealing with (my vote is on both). ”
Becky notices that every day construction begins on hundreds of houses across the country, but is furious that when she rings around, no builder in her town can start building the home she suddenly thought of today, tomorrow.
Becky, you don’t think John Wayne movies are real do you?
“So what you are saying is that the majority of the populations in both countries are too dumb to understand that their reality is not reality and they can’t see what is really going on. Give me a break.”
Now Razor, pay attention. I (Katz) didn’t say these things. I reported the Chimp’s erstwhile cheerleaders (the PNAC) as saying these things. Now when silly old lefties say stuff like this, you can dismiss it. When righties take the trouble to jump ship and then start hollering that the SS Dubya is holed beneath the waterline, it’s something different.
And, Razor, its one thing to get elected and quite another to achieve anything.
The PNAC are coming round to the conclusion that Bush has achieved nothing, except that is, getting re-elected.
On the other hand, Bush has prevented the Democrats from being elected, which returns me to the third “or” of my first post. Is this seen to be an achievement in itself? If so, a lot of money has been spent on pinging off depleted uranium and a lot of humvees have been blown up to achieve the rather dubious result of stuffing up the Dems.
Your digression into climate change comes from Left (if you’ll pardon the expression) Field. I’ve never mentioned the wretched topic.
Katz, your view that invading Afghanistan and Iraq was all about beating the Democrats is, I must say, a new and interesting twist on the good old conspiracy theories of oiiiiilllll and joooos etc etc. Now you say it is all about the Deeeemmmms!
As for receiving criticism from the PNAC, it doesn’t rate with me. We have seen the internicene warfare in both the ALP and the Libs in this country in the last year – it happens on all sides of politics. If you aren’t upsetting soembody then you aren’t doing your job.
I believe it is a very positive thing keeping both the Democrats and ALP out of power. What a nightmare scenario that was – Kerry and Latham – the gormless liar and the ham fisted psycho – running two of the greatest countries in the world. Fortunately the electorates are smarter than that.
As for the climate change stuff – you may have realised by now that that was in repsonse to StephenL. (I wonder if it is Stephen Larkam still suffering from concusscion?)
Sigh. Another case of Razor ADD. I didn’t assert these things.
We return to the outstanding questions.
1. What, actually, did the election and re-election of Bush achieve? Razor hasn’t explained the deficiency of the PNAC argument that Bush’s achievements are evanescent at best and illusory otherwise.
2. What, actually, might the election of Rice achieve?
3. Apart from a warm feeling, which might also be achieved by loss of bladder control, how does this influence Australians’ ability to sleep soundly at night?
The theory seems to be that the work on the levees etc – which is a clear Federal responsibility, carried out by the Corps of Engineers – was downgraded hugely to pay for tax cuts and for the war in Iraq.
It seems to me in that context that its not the states or local government that should be blamed for the fact that an entire American city has been destroyed and tens of thousands of people abandoned to their fates, but the values of the Bush administration.
Which brings us to the class and race question. The fact that Bush had people of colour in his cabinet doesn’t contradict the claim that he does not value poor Black Americans. Money doesn’t care about colour; that phrase “Uncle Tom” has been around since the Civil War.
Katz, I answered your original questions about what interest I had as an Australian in the US Presidency and I pointed out a number of significant achievements of Bush’s Presidency. I failed to include the magnificant tax cuts and the Free Trade Deal with Australia. Both of which are great for the majority of Aussies.
“Razor hasn’t explained the deficiency of the PNAC argument that Bush’s achievements are evanescent at best and illusory otherwise.”
As I said above, I don’t know anything about this PNAC stuff and don’t understand why you are have your Bonds in a knot about it, but I’ll admit looking up your lovely new word and I disagree strongly that these things will fade quickly – Bush will be remembered as a great POTUS for all the things his administration has achieved and the far reaching positive consequences for the US and the rest of the world.
The election of Rice would enable the US to continue to reform its’ economy, moving it to a more competitive basis to allow continuing economic growth. Just as only Nixon could go to China and only Hawke could float the dollar, a Black Women President would be able to make welfare reforms that a white male Republican President could not. Of course this is mere speculation as she has said she is not running (as has HC – does she still go by the C word? Or has she realised that a blow job isn’t sexual relations??) Condi would also probably continue to prosecute the War on Islamofascists effectively.
Do you think we should walk away from Afghanistan, Iraq and Israel and leave it to the Islamofascists and just deal with the terrorist attacks on home soils?
As for allowing Australians to feel safer – the Republican policy of spreading democracy and the resulting economic growth combined with the active and resolute prosecution of the war against islamofacists and drugs will limit the spread of terrorism by killing those that want to stand and fight and strangling the support bases of the rock-spiders that want to hide in the dark. The Republicans will do this better and more resolutely than the Democrats.
In particular, given that Condi is Secretary of State, I am sure that she is a driver of the policy turn around from the disasterous previous foreign policies that allowed Al Queda to prosper unfettered. Terrorists now know that there is no safe havens anymore. The bad guys canrun and hide but sooner or later they are going to end up killed or captured wherever they are. This isn’t a police action that the Democrats see it as, this is a war. It ain’t pretty and it won’t be short or bloodless but we will win. My daughter can’t afford for us not too.
As far as I am able to understand David the levees breaches occurred where there had been very recent upgrades. The dirt levees had either been replaced or strengthened with cement levees. Again struggling, it seems as if the pumps were able to handle keeping the areas of New Orleans dry but it seems unable to manage surges and certainly not surges followed by breaches. Congress had instituted feasibility studies for meeting the potential disaster but the feasibility studies themselves aren’t going to be finished until 2006. Indeed it seemed like another three decades was needed to build a system that could have withstood this onslaught. But then the very system of levees and flood control added to the emergent failure. And of course these levees were designed and built some many moons ago. Knowledge has increased and technology since. And the environmental changes that exacerbated the problem.
Maybe a little more complicated and complex than Bush did it by going to war In Iraq.
Yes go Condi.
Ros and Razor.
In my mind’s eye I see you frozen in a Grant Woods attitude of American Gothic rectitude, forever stoically enduring the unfortunate fact that by some divine oversight you were born in the wrong country.
And to think that there are so many real Americans who are, at this very moment, ungratefully counting the minutes until they can exercise their constitutional right to ensure that anyone who had any association at all with the Chimp will never exercise public office again.
It’s just not fair, is it? What was God thinking?
Katz – you can pray to whatever God you want. As an aethiest I will continue to have faith in mankind’s rational ability to overcome the plague of socialism as it has done for the last century.
Don’t you just love intellectual Evolutionists. White man is a Chimp, but God help any racist who suggests some blacks were behaving like residents of ‘banana republics’.
Someone like Rice may well be the best President to impress upon blacks that while it may once have been all about rights, it’s about time to own some personal responsibility for their plight. Don’t expect your particular version of the ATSIC failure denying, victim megaplex to roll over quietly though Condi.
>Do you think we should walk away from Afghanistan, Iraq and Israel and leave it to the Islamofascists and just deal with the terrorist attacks on home soils?
In rthe case of Iraq, would that be the SCIRI islamofascists or the Mehdi Army islamofascists and would they be in coalition with the old-fashioned non-hyphenated Kurdish fascists?
As for Afghanistan, why do you prefer Taliban founder Hamid Kharazai to his successors?
In the case of Israel, I wasn’t aware that Israel in any particularly dire need of assistance.
Razor says:
That’s just too bizarre to leave unremarked. Can you think of something Kerry lied about? Note that I expect something better than a reference to the “Swift Vets”.
Again, this is just mind-boggling. Tax cuts for billionaire Americans benefit the majority of Aussies?
(The FTA argument has already been done to death, and isn’t worth rehashing here.)
Any attempt to predict the candidates in the next US Presidential election is hugely premature at this time.
Campaigning for ’08 won’t really start until after the 2006 mid-term elections.
If current opinion polls are accurate and public opinion doesn’t change drastically, the Republicans will do badly in ’06.
The risk for the GOP will then be that a rift will develop within the party between the centrists and the right wing of the party.
If Republicans do badly and President bush is blamed, there will be a temptation to distance the party from him by nominating one of his critics from within the Party such as John McCain (who I think has already announced his candidacy) and Chuck Hagel.
Colin Powell, who has quietly distanced hinself from a number of key Bush policies since stepping down as Secretary of State, might even be persuaded to run as a man whose personal stature can bring the Party together.
I’m sure that most Republicans will remember that Clinton was elected in 92 with less than an absolute majority and that Ross Perot pulled sufficient votes from Bush Senior to swing the vote to Clinton. (Exit polls suggested 2/3s of Perot’s supporters were Republican voters in most other contests.)
They’ll be at pains to avoid a repeat of that – which means not alienating the committed conservatives, including the religious right.
I still think there’s a good chance that Cheney, who’s widely respected within the Party may end up being drafted to run – who was the last vice-President NOT to contest the Presidency?
On the Democratic side, I think the dark horse to watch is Bill Richardson.
Observa – You are not suggesting that the poor African Americans in New Orleans are responsible for this mess, are you?
Say it ain’t so.
“I failed to include the magnificant tax cuts and the Free Trade Deal with Australia. Both of which are great for the majority of Aussies.”
And they say satire is dead. Have you actually read the text of AUSFTA all the way through Shaver? I have, and then had it parsed for me by experts at this kinda thing. And the consensus (across both the public and private sectors) is that we got royally screwed. You’ll notice even Howard and Vaile have stopped talking it up.
“Someone like Rice may well be the best President”
Well, good luck selling her to the Fundie Repub base that’s now busy demonising blacks as part of the Katrina blamestorm.
I don’t think it’s fair to assume the majority of Republicans are racists.
I do think though that there’s a sizeable minority of Republicans in some states who might just not bother to turn up and vote if the Party’s nominee is a black woman – especially when that woman is closely associated with a policy (the Iraq War) which, at least according to opinion polls, is now intensely unpopular.
As a single woman who doesn’t appear to date (and who on several occasions has been caught on camera referring to the President as “my husband” – no, really!), Rice’s personal life and sexual preference have already been the subject of nasty, and almost definitely unfounded rumours.
The Democrats wouldn’t need to get their hands dirty publicly to exploit those rumours.
Finally, Rice would be the first President since Eisenhower never to have held previous elective office.
If Rice does want to be President (and I’m mindful of her statements she doesn’t intend to run), her best strategies are probably to seek the Vice-Presidential nomination in a Cheney ticket and run 2012.
Razor’s infatuation for Condi Rice reminds me of the seventeenth-century English royalists who concocted the motto: “No Bishop, No King”.
By that they meant that the only way to protect the office of the king was to protect the institution of the Church of England and its hierarchy.
It’s the “one brick” theory. Any of the pieces of the edifice may be the keystone. So don’t monkey with it.
Razor’s version of this idea is “No Condi, No Howard”.
It must be difficult to cope with a sense of danger so pervasive that anything, no matter how trivial, may contribute to a collapse of the whole edifice.
A footnote: By being so fanatical about their determination to hang on to the bishops, the royalists lost their king as well.
They eventually got one back, of course, but he was a very diminished figure in comparison to the one they lost.
And guess what, England did quite well after that.
Be brave Razor. What have you got to lose?
Some thoughts on taxation: a fundamental flaw in most (indeed I think all) progressive income tax systems is that the thresholds for the various marginal rates aren’t indexed to inflation. This means that effective rates for a given level of real income tend to rise over time.
This naturally produces demands for tax relief since, all other things being equal, the rich tend to have better advocates and more influence these demands tend to focus on the top marginal rate.
Reducing the top marginal rate, except for very high rates, is probably amongst the least economically efficent ways to reduce taxes. Lifting the minimum threshold for tax is much more effective since removing low income earners from the income tax system entirely reduces administrative costs.
Unfortunately the political logic is clear – and applies to all parties – giving back the benefits of bracket creep is an easy way to buy electoral popularity, especially in the lead up to an election.
So here’s a suggestion as to how that political logic could be changed – legislate to provide automatic indexation of tax thresholds. In fact adopt a I+x formula where the thresholds increase by more than the rate of inflation – say 1% per annum more.
Now here’s the tricky bit – legislate that the indexation only occurs if the budget is in surplus or the deficit is below some specified figure (say 1% of GDP) and if the revenue from taxes other than income tax have not risen as a percentage of GDP in the past year.
So instead of rewarding politicians for having high inflation (and therefore plenty of money to give back) create an expectation in the public mind that they will receive a tax cut every year – unless the government fails to maintain fiscal discipline.
It is not the tax brackets that should be indexed for inflation but rather the total revenue take. One way to approximate this is to index the tax brackets with relation to wages growth.
If you just index the brackets for inflation then over time the government will take a bigger and bigger slice of the economy.
SJ – Kerry claimed to have been in Cambodia at Christmas time – this has proven to be a straight out lie.
Katz, infatuation is a lovable word but is hardly accurate when it comes to me seeing Condi as an outstanding candidate for POTUS. (Now, if you were talking about Kiera Knightley you might be closer to the truth.)
Where you got this “No Condi, No Howardâ€? stuff from I have no idea but I do not see any direct linkage between the two in terms of elections by their own electorates. In fact I don’t think Howard is going to contest the election althoug I wouldn’t put money on it as he may hang on. And it doesn’t bother me either way Howard or his successor. (I do find it terribly amusing to hear the ALP bleating on about Lib Leadership issues – that is like taking illicit drug use prevention advice from the Hells Angels.)
But seeing as you raised it as a possibility – what a magnificent vision you have.
Ian Gould, I don’t think many Republicans are suprised about Colin Powell. Having read a fair bit about him I always got the impression he was either a Democrat or a Left leaning Republican. The possible reasons that he served in the Bush Administration was he is an inately political animal – you don’t become a high-ranking general without the political will do do it. He also knew that he had a useby date and he wasn’t getting any younger – so accepting the call from the Bush Administration was as good as it was going to get. Noting that in the American political system it is not unheard of to have Administration members who have allegiances to the other side (I am watching the rerun of West Wing on Fox which shows just this happening, admitedly at a lower level.) Note that he was brought in as Sec State and not Sec Def – so he wasn’t there for his military prowess. In fact, my assessment is that the Bush Team thought it would be good to have a high profile type that the Democrats would like in a high profile slot that wouldn’t cause to much angst – Sep 11 made Sec State and foriegn affairs much higher priority than the Bush Team had probably expected – but they were stuck with Powell in the slot. Did a good job, though.
Colin Powell disgusted himself with his willingness to lie to the UN as part of the Bush clique’s concoction of a pretext for invading Iraq.
Boo to Powell for allowing himself to be used.
“Mr Powell’s team removed dozens of pages of alleged evidence about Iraq’s banned weapons and ties to terrorists from a draft of his speech, US News and World Report says today. At one point, he became so angry at the lack of adequate sourcing to intelligence claims that he declared: “I’m not reading this. This is bullshit,” according to the magazine.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,968581,00.html
Hurrah to Powell for getting away from those evil influences.
“…accepting the call from the Bush Administration was as good as it was going to get. ”
Oh please, the nomination for both major parties was his for the asking at various points since the Gulf War.
Why is it so hard to accept that he might be simply a honorable man seeking to serve his country in the way he thinks he can contribute the most?
They do exist you know – Bob Dole and John McCain come to mind as other examples in the Republican Party.
Ian – I am in full agreance with you. I wasn’t being critical of him. I have a great deal of respect for him as an Officer and a Gentleman (unfortunately they are few and far between these days – lots of bloody good officers around but few that measure up as gentlemen or ladies).
Katz,
Just one question – how can you be certain he was lying? To be lying he had to know (or at least strongly suspect) it was not the truth. I have not yet seen evidence that he knew it to be untrue – even if it has subsequently turned out to be the case.
Katz, I’ve worked with intelligence product – sometimes it is very accurate – other times you wonder if the green slime are on something. If John Howard had stood up and said there are absolutely no WMD in Iraq he would have been going against all the Int he has been briefed on and would have needed to justify his position, which he wouldn’t have been able to. At the same time I would have been able to take him to the Australian War Memorial and show him the NBC suit on display that had been worn by the then Captain Roger Noble, when he was destroying chemical weapons stocks in Iraq in 1992. The now LT COL Noble is commanding the deployment in Southern Iraq. (Always was the golden haired boy, despite his bald patch. Bastard!!)
Andrew Reynolds,
You are either trying to have a lend of me, or you are being captious, or you are being obtuse.
Objectively, when he spoke to the UN, Colin Powell may have accurately stated the case. His briefers may have given him nothing but the unvarnished truth.
Yet, Colin Powell suspected strongly that this was not the case. That is the commonly accepted meaning of the word “bullshit” when it is used in its non-faecal sense.
Despite his suspicions that he was being required to spout “bullshit”, and despite his stated displeasure at doing so, he nevertheless did it.
So, Andrew, a man in Powell’s position is always subject to the information presented to him by his apparat. He thus has only mediated knowledge of which he speaks. He thus relies upon the honesty and intelligence of critical members of his apparat.
Now, Andrew, which of those qualities do you imagine Powell questioned when he uttered that cloacal expletive?
Do you imagine that Powell was expressing the opinion that his apparat had made an honest mistake?
As Dr Johnson said: “Even a dog knows the difference between a trip and a kick.”
Powell knew he was being kicked.
Razor, as I’ve just suggested to AR, in this case the important issue is the state of mind of Colin Powell, not the truth value of the stuff he was instructed to parrot.
“Observa – You are not suggesting that the poor African Americans in New Orleans are responsible for this mess, are you?”
A question of some nuance here David. We know negro Americans are over-represented amongst the lower socio-economic strata of society there. Conservatives would argue that with 7 out of 10 negro Americans born to young solo mothers, there is a strong connection between poverty and values here.
“To stay out of poverty in America, it’s necessary to do three simple things, social scientists have found: finish high school, don’t have kids until you marry, and wait until you are at least 20 to marry. Do those three things, and the odds against your becoming impoverished are less than one in ten. Nearly 80 percent of everyone who fails to do those three things winds up poor.”
Another axiom we know is that relative poverty and crime often go hand in hand and with about 30% of NO black citizens poor or on welfare, remove the law and you can judge for yourself the results, excluding the natural survival need for all to take whatever food and water, etc are in the city at the time. Now if more income was the simple answer to poverty and social breakdown, the Mutitjulu aboriginals with the key to the gate of an internationally desirable tourist destination like Uluru, would have the problem licked. They clearly haven’t. This leads you to look to cultural, value systems for answers, unless of course you want to question evolution of particular species here. Clearly some do on a racial basis, although it may simply be the odd individual among a racial group, you personally think is an undeveloped Chimp.
Nature or nurture, that is the question, but for me it’s nurture that is predominant as the answer to outcomes, although you can always pop over to John Ray’s- Dissecting Leftism, to sample research on minor natural differences among racial groups. To me values matter very much in nurture, which is why I may have some strong objections to neglect of children, or inculcating some wrong values(Wahabbist Maddrassas, Hitler Youth and the like)
If you believe a lack of nurtured values is the major cause of poverty and ignorance through lack of education, then you might see a connection with why many poor blacks failed to evacuate NO, at their peril. Either they were too poor to move and/or motivationally ignorant of the potential threat. No doubt the profile of movers and stayers there will be more accurately quantified in the longer term than the anecdotal evidence suggests now. Are African Americans responsible for this mess? No, that was essentially caused by nature, but nurture may well have had a big say in its impact.
Katz, I think Andrew Reynolds was actually meaning SJ and possibly Carlos above with the stuff about Howard being a Liar. –
“SJ Says:
September 7th, 2005 at 5:05 pm
The Australian government knows that Iraq still has chemical and biological weapons and that Iraq wants to develop nuclear weapons.
Howard made a claim of certainty. That was, um, a lie.”
With the intel stuff with Powell, I hardly rate the guardian as a great source
given their penchant for hiring Islamofacists, however i can understand Powell’s frustration. He wanted to be able to do a Cuban Missile Crisis, but most of the intel was based on human intelligence. He couldn’t go in with rock solid evidence, just balance of probabiltiies evidence, and that was probably very frustrating. How that meant he was being kicked is beyond me. I’ve got a lot of time for the guy, but if he felt that the intel was no good and wouldn’t stand up to scrutiny then he should have said so and refused to present the case.
Your line “the important issue is the state of mind of Colin Powell, not the truth value of the stuff” rates up there with Dan Rather’s “fake but accurate” line. Keep ’em coming!!
Katz,
I thought that the “…bullshit…” may have referred to the “…dozens of pages…” that he had removed, not the stuff he actually read out to the UN. If he chopped dozens of pages of “…bullshit…” what was left may have been what he believed to be what he could read out in all conscience. To stretch one of your many analogies – Powell may have known he was being kicked, but if he kicked back then the dog would still have his integrity.
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I do not have a good enough sense of humour to have a lend of you – I learnt a while back not to try it too often on blogs. I can be a smartarse, but rarely captious and not in this case. Sometimes I am obtuse, though, if not outright thick.
Razor,
“Google Results 1 – 10 of about 688 for “colin powell” “this is bullshit”. (0.17 seconds)”
Go to any of the above 688 sources and find one you like.
You’re committing the Rather illogicality, not me. Dr Johnson’s dog has the advantage over you in that regard.
David Tiley et al,
My tribe here http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000129.html
…an oldie but a goodie!
Woman Fired For Eating ‘Unclean’ Meat
Attorney: ‘It’s A Classic Case Of Religious Discrimination’
http://www.local6.com/money/3614199/detail.html
POSTED: 5:46 am EDT August 4, 2004
UPDATED: 1:50 pm EST December 31, 2004
ORLANDO, Fla. — A Central Florida woman was fired from her job after eating “unclean” meat and violating a reported company policy that pork and pork products are not permissible on company premises, according to Local 6 News.
Lina Morales was hired as an administrative assistant at Rising Star — a Central Florida telecommunications company with strong Muslim ties, Local 6 News reported.
However, 10 months after being hired by Rising Star, religious differences led to her termination.
Morales, who is Catholic, was warned about eating pizza with meat the Muslim faith considered “unclean,” Local 6 News reported. She was then fired for eating a bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwich, according to the report.
“Are you telling me they fired you because you had something with ham on it?” Local 6 News reporter Mike Holfeld asked.
“Yes,” Morales said.
Video
Woman Fired After Eating Pork
Holfeld asked, “A pizza and a BLT sandwich?”
” Yes,” Morales said.
Local 6 News obtained the termination letter that states she was fired for refusing to comply with company policy that pork and pork products are not permissible on company premises. etc etc
Just received the following forward and thought that I’d share it with you all for a laugh…..
FW: NO PETROL DAY!
>>>
>>>IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN AUSTRALIA
>>>DID NOT PURCHASE A DROP OF PETROL FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT
>>>THE SAME TIME, THE OIL COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR
>>>STOCKPILES.
>>>
>>>AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET
>>>LOSS OVER 4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF
>>>THE
>>>OIL COMPANIES.
>>>
>>>THEREFORE THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 22nd HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED
>>>”STICK
>>>IT UP THEIR BEHIND ” DAY AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION SHOULD NOT
>>>BUY A SINGLE DROP OF PETROL THAT DAY.
>>>THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE DONE IS IF YOU FORWARD THIS E-MAIL
>>>TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THE
>>>WORD
>>>OUT.
>>>
>>>WAITING ON THE GOVERNMENT TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES
>>>IS NOT GOING TO
>>>HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REDUCTION AND CONTROL
>>>IN PRICES THAT THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS AGO?
>>>
>>>REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF PETROL GOING
>>>UP BUT AT THE SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR
>>>PRICES,
>>>TRUCKING COMPANIES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS
>>>PRICES ON EVERYTHING THAT IS SHIPPED. THINGS LIKE FOOD,
>>>CLOTHING,
>>>BUILDING SUPPLIES MEDICAL SUPPLIES ETC. WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE
>>>DO!
>>>
>>>WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON’T GET THE MESSAGE
>>>AFTER ONE DAY, WE WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.
>>>
>>>SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD. FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO
>>>EVERYONE YOU KNOW. MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND MAKE SEPTEMBER 22nd
>>>A DAY
>>>THAT THE CITIZENS OF AUSTRALIA “ENOUGH IS ENOUGH”
Razor says:
Didn’t I specifically say:
All of the “Swift Vet” stuff is bullshit, including the Cambodia claim.
Well Kerry did say he spent Christmas “in Cambodia”. The record shows that he was in the Mekong delta in December and January on missions that regularly crossed into Cambodian waters. But on Christmas Day it appears he was inside Vietnam.
Of course, I’m sure most of his critics can recall with absolute precisio nevery detail of their movements and actions on Christmas Day 1969.
I’m sure too that their personal military records and record of public service are every bit as impressive as Kerry’s.
And Kerry did say he spent “Christmas” in Cambodia.
According to this site:
http://www.cresourcei.org/chyear.html
the Christmas Season extends from December 25 to Jan 5. Hence, the 12 Days of Christmas.
And that doesn’t even take Greek Christmas into consideration.
BTW, that whole Swift Boat Veterans thing was a cleverly concocted pack of lies that profited from the fact that many Americans don’t want to even THINK about the Vietnam War, despite the fact the the Iraq adventure has done just sooo much to lay that particular ghost in America’s collective psyche.
Observa (your first comment, not the r-word stuff): what a glorious day indeed. Coopers and Vili’s pies as we watched the wonderful live feed in London. How’s the Power finals record looking?
Heh.