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After the EMH, what next?

August 4th, 2009

Writing a critique of the Efficient Markets Hypothesis in terms rigorous enough to stand up to scrutiny, but comprehensible to the average reader hasn’t been easy, and I still have a lot more work to do. But thanks to the help I’ve had from commenters here and at my blog, and from other readers, I hope to make a go of it. Now comes the hard bit: suggesting some alternatives, both in theory and policy. I’m not by any means satisfied with this draft. In particular, I need to go back and get a better linkage to the question “if the market price for assets is not the “right” price, what is?”. But, I thought I’d do better getting some help and criticisms now, rather than trying for some more polish first.

What next?

Realistic theories of financial markets

The theoretical analysis underlying the EMH shows that perfectly rational investors, operating in perfectly efficient financial markets, will produce the best possible estimate of the future value of any asset. The catastrophic failure of the EMH in reality suggests the need to re-examine not only the theoretical premises of individual rationality and market efficiency and the whole concept of “best possible estimate”.

The first of these tasks is well under way. For the past twenty-five years or so, economists have been seeking to replace assumptions of perfect rationality with more realistic models of how individuals make choices under uncertainty and over time. Much of this work goes under the banner of ‘behavioral economics’ or ‘behavioral finance’ (in true academic fashion, there is some dispute about the ownership of this term, with some economists trying to tie it to a specific research program, and others preferring a broader view that encompasses any work based on actual behavior rather than a priori rationality assumptions).

Many of the crucial ideas of behavioral economics are derived from the work of psychologist Daniel Kahneman and his longtime collaborator, the late Amos Tversky. In 2002, Kahneman became the first, and so far only psychologist to be awarded the Nobel prize in economics, while Tversky, almost uniquely in the history of the award, received a posthumous mention. Among other crucial ideas, Kahneman and Tversky showed that people have difficulty in handling probability judgements and, in particular, tend to overweight certain kinds of low-probability events, such as the chance of winning the lottery or dying in an airplane crash.

Moreover, while people are mostly risk-averse, they tend to “chase losses”, taking additional risks in the hope of recouping losses from an original reference point. Far from being the reliable calculating machines assumed in the standard theory, people rely on ‘heuristics’ such as ‘availability’, which means that they tend to overestimate the probability of events of which examples are readily available.

Another collaborator of Kahneman and Tversky, Richard Thaler has focused on how people make decisions over time. The standard model requires people to value future flows of income using a moderate, constant discount rate, such as the rate of interest on bonds. So, if the annual rate of interest on bonds is 5 per cent, a sum of $100 invested now will be worth $105 in a year’s time and (because of compound interest) about $110.25 in two years’ time. Turning this argument around, a sum of $105 received in a year’s time, or $110.25 in two years’ time, should be worth $100 today.

Observing what people actually do in day-to-day decisions reveals a quite different pattern, called hyperbolic discounting. People greatly prefer to receive benefits immediately rather than, say, in a year’s time. They are similarly keen to defer costs from the present into the relatively near future, even when facing high interest costs for doing so. But if asked to choose between a benefit (or cost) in one year’s time, and a larger benefit or cost in two year’s time, they are fairly patient.



The study of behavioral economics shows that people often fail to follow the precepts of rational decision making. And the economics of asymmetric information literature gives reasons why even when participants in financial markets are entirely rational, market outcomes may not be efficient. But there is a more fundamental challenge which economists are only now beginning to address. This is the fact that, since the number of possible contingencies that may affect economic outcomes is effectively infinite, no decisionmaker, no matter how well-informed and sophisticated, can possibly take them all into account.

This point has arisen in popular discussion, for example with Donald Rumsfeld’s famous observation ‘There are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we now know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don’t know.’ Although Rumsfeld was much derided for this statement, is both valid and important. The real problem was that, having made the point, Rumsfeld did not consider that, since launching a war exposes a nation to a host of ‘unknown unknowns’, decisions to do so should be made with extreme caution.

In the financial literature, writer and investor Nassim Taleb has popularised the term ‘black swans’ to describe such unforeseen contingencies. For Europeans, the proposition that “all swans are white” was confirmed by all experience. It seems unlikely that Europeans ever contemplated the possibility of a black swan, until they came to Australia and found them. Fortunately, there was not a large financial system built on the whiteness of swans. However, history is full of examples of careful planning brought undone by unconsidered possibilities.

It is not hard to point out that we are regularly surprised by ‘unknown unknowns’ and ‘black swans’. A much harder problem is to describe a system of reasoning and decisionmaking that takes account of events that are, by definition, unforeseen by those reasoning and making decisions. Economists, philosophers and decision theorists have been wrestling with this problem for a long time, and at last seem to be making some progress. It turns out that it is possible to develop formal models of bounded rationality in which decisionmakers are unaware of some possibilities and unable to fully articulate and communicate all the possibilities of which they are aware.

The implications are profound. One is that in environments where surprises are likely to be unfavorable, it makes sense to apply a precautionary principle to decisionmaking, preferring simple and easily understood choices to those that are complex and poorly understood, even when the complex option appears to offer greater net benefits. A similar point relates to contracts. In joint work with Simon Grant and Jeff Kline, I have shown that contracts between boundedly rational parties always involve some element of ambiguity. For this reason, simple contracts with terms that are understood by both parties may be preferred to the complex arrangements indicated as optimal by standard economic theory.

Trust and crises

But individual deviations from rationality aren’t the only problem. In perfectly efficient markets, even a small number of of hardnosed and rational speculators would be enough to ensure the outcomes predicted by EMH theory. Such speculators could take advantage of the irrational behavior of the majority of investors, turning them into “money pumps”. As Keynes observed though, successful speculation depends on the market getting things right, not just eventually, but before the speculators run out of money. A realistic theory of financial markets must explain how bubbles can persist long enough to deter speculators from betting on a return to market equilibrium.

We also need a deeper understanding of financial collapses like the current crisis. Although the textbooks represent financial markets as involving impersonal exchanges of precisely defined assets, the actual operation of the system relies crucially on trust and more generally, on understanding the amount of trust that should be placed in particular kinds of promises. In the last few decades, economists have spent a lot of time studying trust, and particularly the problem of when one party to a contract should trust the other to tell the truth and keep faith. This problem has been analysed in terms of asymmetric information (when one party knows something the other does not, and both parties know this). But the problems go deeper than this, to situations where it is impossible to calculate all the possible outcomes, and individuals must decide whether to rely on the judgement and good faith of others.

Trust breaks down in crises. All institutions, both public and private, rely to some extent on trust, and when trust breaks down it is often hard to rebuild. In the crisis of the 1970s, the failure of governments to deliver on their commitments to manage the economy and maintain full employment led to a loss of public trust, which was transferred (more or less by default) to markets and particularly financial markets. This loss of trust made it difficult, if not impossible, to implement policies that might have made a difference, such as agreements to stabilise wages. By the time such agreements were feasible, in the 1980s, the balance of economic power had already shifted to financial markets.

Even more than governments (which have, after all, the direct power of the state behind them) financial markets depend on trust. The central financial institution of modern capitalism is the fractional reserve banking system, whereby banks lend out most of the money that is deposited with them, keeping only a fraction to meet calls for withdrawals. In an unregulated system, a failure of trust in a given institutions leads to a ‘run on the bank’ as depositors scramble to get money out while they can.

Systems of deposit insurance and bank guarantees now ensure that depositors’ trust in banks is backed up by their trust in the ability of governments to protect them in the event of default. But other kinds of trust in the financial system are not so easily maintained. Banks are sustainable if and only if they can accurately assess the willingness and ability of borrowers to repay their debts. In normal conditions, this is not an exceptionally difficult task. Banks can look at standard measures of ability to repay, credit histories and so on to distinguish good risks from bad and, in any case, the first group are in the overwhelming majority.

But in a crisis all this breaks down. Formerly reliable formulas cease to work as borrowers realise they are better off walking away from their debts (through bankruptcy or foreclosure) than struggling to repay them and failing anyway. At this point, trust can only be restored through personal knowledge of particular borrowers, the kind that is built up through a long business relationship. But it is precisely in a crisis that such business relationships break down. Banks fail and their assets are taken over by others with no knowledge of the customers beyond what they can glean from formal records and remaining employees. In a complex and interlinked system like that built up over recent decades, the failures can cascade until the entire system ceases to function beyond a minimal level.

Financial regulation

The global financial crisis has been, above all, a failure of models of financial regulation based on the EMH.The approach to financial regulation developed in response to the Depression was highly restrictive. Financial institutions were confined to a limited range of services, and financial innovation was limited. Financial institutions seeking to create new assets had to satisfy regulators that these assets could be fitted into the existing regulatory framework, or else wait until a new set of regulatory structures was developed.

Financial deregulation in the 1970s put an end to these constraints. The term ‘deregulation’ is something of a misnomer, since no system in which the public is the ultimate guarantor can be regarded as unregulated. Rather a system of regulation focused on protecting the public and stabilising the economy was replaced by one in which the primary concern was to facilitate innovation and to manage risk in the most ‘light-handed’ possible fashion. The EMH played a crucial role in designing these regulatory systems, which went through a variety of forms before their final embodiment in the Basel Accords issued by the Basel Committee on Banking Supervision, which is made of up senior representatives of bank supervisory authorities and central banks from the G-10 countries.

The Basel Accords attempted to assess the riskiness of banks’ holdings using a combination of market prices and ratings from private agencies (such as Moody’s and Standard & Poors). According to the EMH, market values of classes of risky assets are the best possible estimate of their value. While the EMH does not have direct implications for the interpretation of agency ratings, the fact that such ratings are sought by bond issuers, implies, according to the EMH that the ratings contain valuable and reliable information, since they would otherwise be ignored.

Until 2007, the Basel system had never had to deal with a serious financial crisis in the developed world. It failed catastrophically at its first test. Not only did many banks fail, but the measures of capital adequacy required under the Basel system proved all but useless in assessing which banks were at risk.

Radical changes in financial sector regulation have already taken place as a result of the financial crisis. Guarantees of bank deposits have been introduced or greatly expanded in all major economies. Partial or complete nationalisation of failing institutions, with the resulting assumption of risk by the public, has been widespread.

However, these policies have been introduced as emergency measures, with the implicit (and sometimes explicit) premise that they will be ended when normal (pre-crisis) conditions are restored. his premise is untenable. By the time the crisis is over, the financial sector will be radically transformed, and will require a radically different mode of regulation.

The starting point for a stable regulatory regime must be a reversal of the burden of proof in relation to financial innovation. The prevailing rule has been to allow, and indeed encourage, financial innovations unless they can be shown to represent a threat to financial stability. Given an unlimited public guarantee for the liabilities of these institutions such a rule is a guaranteed, and proven, recipe for disaster, offering huge rewards to any innovation that increases both risks (ultimately borne by the public) and returns (captured by the innovators).

What is needed is a system of ‘narrow banking’ where with a clearly defined set of institutions (such as banks and insurance companies) offering a set of well-tested financial instruments with explicit public guarantees for clients, and a public guarantee of solvency, with nationalisation as a last-resort option. Financial innovations must be treated with caution, and allowed only on the basis of a clear understanding of their effects on systemic risk.

It is important not to suppress the activity of those willing to take risks with their own capital. As Adam Smith observed, (CH X, Part I)

The chance of gain is by every man more or less overvalued, and the chance of loss is by most men undervalued, and by scarce any man, who is in tolerable health and spirits, valued more than it is worth.

Smith argues that this characteristic over-optimism is crucial in promoting investment and enterprise. Later writers such as Keynes described attitudes to risk in terms of ‘animal spirits’, and noted, in the light of experience, the occurrence of periodic panics and depressions, in which animal spirits could not be roused. But even so, there is a clear need to allow scope for those with an optimistic view to chance their arm, while ensuring that the costs of the inevitable failures are borne by those concerned in the speculative investment and not by the community as a whole.

Stabilising financial markets does not mean that it is necessary to prohibit risky investments, or even to prevent speculators from developing and trading in risky new financial assets. What is crucial is that these operations should not threaten the stability of the system as a whole. Publicly regulated (and guaranteed) banks and other financial institutions should be prohibited from engaging in speculative trade on their own account and from extending any form of credit to institutions engaged in such speculation, as they did with LTCM and its successors. Governments should commit themselves not to allow any bailout if speculators get into trouble, again as occurred with LTCM. After that speculators can safely be left to sink or swim.

The starting point for a stable regulatory regime must be a reversal of the burden of proof in relation to financial innovation. The prevailing rule has been to allow, and indeed encourage, financial innovations unless they can be shown to represent a threat to financial stability. Given an unlimited public guarantee for the liabilities of these institutions such a rule is a guaranteed, and proven, recipe for disaster, offering huge rewards to any innovation that increases both risks (ultimately borne by the public) and returns (captured by the innovators).

Post-crisis financial regulation must begin with a clearly defined set of institutions (such as banks and insurance companies) offering a set of well-tested financial instruments with explicit public guarantees for clients, and a public guarantee of solvency, with nationalisation as a last-resort option. Financial innovations must be treated with caution, and allowed only on the basis of a clear understanding of their effects on systemic risk.

In this context, it is crucial to maintain sharp boundaries between publicly guaranteed institutions and unprotected financial institutions such as hedge funds, finance companies, stockbroking firms and mutual funds. Institutions in the latter category must not be allowed to present a threat of systemic failure that might precipitate a public sector rescue, whether direct (as in the recent crisis) or indirect (as in the 1998 bailout of Long Term Capital Management). A number of measures are required to ensure this.

First, ownership links between protected and unprotected financial institutions must be absolutely prohibited, to avoid the risk that failure of an unregulated subsidiary will necessitate a rescue of the parent, or that an unregulated parent could seek to expose a bank subsidiary to excessive risk. Long before the current crisis, these dangers were illustrated by Australian experience with bank-owned finance companies, most notably the rescue, by the Reserve Bank, of the Bank of Adelaide in the 1970s.

Second, banks should not market unregulated financial products such as share investments and hedge funds.

Third, the provision of bank credit to unregulated financial enterprises should be limited to levels that ensure that even large-scale failure in this sector cannot threaten the solvency of the regulated system.

The state and the market

The EMH implies that governments can never outperform (well-informed) financial markets in making investment decisions. The failure of the EMH does not imply the converse claim that governments will always do better. Rather, the evidence suggests at markets will do better than governments in planning investments in some cases (those where a good judgement of consumer demand is important, for example) and worse in others (those requiring long-term planning, for example).

This inference from capital market outcomes is consistent with the general experience of the 20th century, and particularly the decades after World War II. In these decades, governments took a central role in the development of a wide range of infrastructure services including transport and telecommunications networks, and the provision of electricity, gas and water. These investments were not, in general, motivated by doctrinaire socialism, but by a belief that the development of market economy would be promoted by the reliable supply of infrastructure services.

The rise of economic liberalism saw a substantial, though far from complete, shift of responsibility to the private sector. Reform of electricity, telecommunications and other infrastructure services … The results have been mixed, to put it as charitably as possible. In some cases need some examples, reliance on private capital has led to new and innovative investment strategies. In others, such as electricity transmission in the US, failure to take account of the public good character of infrastructure has led to inadequate investment by all parties, and to a gradual deterioration in the quality of the network. In still other cases, as in the creation of supposedly competitive electricity markets in California, financial engineering and market manipulation have produced catastrophic failures.

The experience of the 20th century suggests that a mixed economy will outperform both central planning and laissez faire. The economic doctrines derived from the EMH seemed to contradict that suggestion. It is now clear,however, that it is the EMH and not the mixed economy that has failed the test of experience.

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  1. August 4th, 2009 at 17:06 | #1

    Pr Q says:

    The experience of the 20th century suggests that a mixed economy will outperform both central planning and laissez faire. The economic doctrines derived from the EMH seemed to contradict that suggestion. It is now clear,however, that it is the EMH and not the mixed economy that has failed the test of experience.

    One thing that struck me about EMH is that it is taking von Mises insight into the rational calculation function of privatised capital markets to its most extreme form.

    The Austrians correctly deduced that abolishing private markets for financial capital would make the rational calculation of implied factor costs impossible. But their neo-liberal legatees then fallaciously inferred the converse: namely that establishing private markets for financial capital would make the rational calculation of implied factor costs inevitable.

    Obviously the correct answer (or missing premise regarding financial market failure) is somewhere in-between. My money, as always, is on the modern PRC.

  2. August 4th, 2009 at 18:06 | #2

    I see there being several related questions. One is “if markets do not give you the right price, what is the right price?”. Another is “If markets are not necessarily the best mechanism (for providing some good), what is the best mechanism?”. This is not an easy question, especially for global problems where there are not strong institutions such as the state. Global public good problems such as climate change are among the hardest, but some of the literature on implementation in the absence of strong institutions is promising.

    PS a minor typo — “Although Rumsfeld was much derided for this statement, is both valid and important.” should probably be “Although Rumsfeld was much derided for this statement, it is both valid and important.”

  3. charles
    August 4th, 2009 at 19:08 | #3

    Well when I did financial markets they provided about 10 ways to value as asset. Can’t remember them all.
    -fire sale price. failed concern what you can get at auction.
    -Time value of money, based on what the asset can produce.
    -Strategic value. A small but needed piece of the puzzle.
    -Book value
    -Depreciated value.
    -Replacement value.
    And finally the one loved by economists:
    -Market value. Only available if you have multiple willing sellers and buyers with equal power and knowledge, like that is ever going to happen.
    Now lets look at the reality of the share market, most shares are locked up in large holdings and are not traded. The market price is determined by the small percentage that are traded, with most of the trading being performed for the same reason one roles the dice in a casino.
    To complete the joke, the book value of assets is then based on the outcome of the plays (sorry trades). The whole thing is based on a strange belief that a mob can predict the future better than a crystal ball. Ya right.
    My view, read the accounts, look at the dividend policy and buy when the casino ( sorry stock exchange) has a collective heart attack. I don’t believe in the EMH, and clearly nor does any government that pumped money into the economy when the markets were trading as if it was done dusted and dead.

  4. August 4th, 2009 at 22:02 | #4

    John – I could live with the particular policy formulation you imply. However one significant concern that remains is that in your quest to make banking institutions safe you also make the barriers to entry too high. For instance why shouldn’t a comparably risky broking firm start and own a bank? I can perhaps see some logic in the converse situation where you stop a bank from starting and owning a risky broking firm. Still who is going to start the banks of the future, or are we to assume that part of the package is to guarantee the current owners their market standing forever? The only people that I can envisage starting new banks are innovators.

  5. August 4th, 2009 at 22:03 | #5

    In the last few decades, economists have spent a lot of time studying trust, and particularly the problem of when one party to a contract should trust the other to tell the truth and keep faith.

    Not to mention whether they should trust the reliability of the associated national unit of account used in bargaining the contract.

  6. Freelander
    August 5th, 2009 at 04:01 | #6

    What Rumsfeld missed out is that there are unknown not knowns which is things we think we know but which we don’t know or are completely wrong about (which, unfortunately was far too much of what Mr Rumsfeld and the other members of the Bush administration thought they knew during the administration). As for “if the market price for assets is not the “right” price, what is?”. My answer to this is that most of the time the right price is not known due to Knighten uncertainty but in some circumstances you can at least tell that a price has gone outside of the neighbourhood. Unfortunately, the price of an asset can stay outside of a sensible neighbourhood for a very long time and we all know where we are in the long run.

  7. Michael of Summer Hill
    August 5th, 2009 at 06:49 | #7

    Freelander, the problem with markets is that the majority do not have perfect information but for a select few who do have perfect information due to ‘links’ do make a mozza ie years ago Bridge Oil was selling for 1 cent when I was told to buy and later on surpassed the dollar mark. That is the real world.

  8. Ernestine Gross
    August 5th, 2009 at 08:16 | #8

    JQ, how can you ensure (theoretically; ie under which conditions) that there is no financial system collapse by merely restricting one type of institution (‘regulated banks’) from issuing particular types of financial securities as long as others can issue securities of any type denominated in the national currency units?

    I have in mind the interrelationship between the physical part (as understood by natural scientists and not the ASX) of an economy that is financed by non-restricted financial securities and the rest. In other words, what is the point of havig a secure deposit (ie own a number in an electronic data recording system of an organisation called ‘regulated bank’) if the bakers and butchers have gone out of business because they can’t pay the debt they have with non-bank financial institutions?

    I don’t believe we can go back to the post WWII Keynesian type mixed economy because there is too much new information among people (‘players’) about ‘high finance’.

    Is it really necessary to blur the ‘irrationality’ of micro-economic reform (economic rationalism) by means of observing that according to some people, others are not allowed to have subjective probability estimates which are not-time invariant (ie they learn)? By ‘irrationality’ of micro economic reform I mean what Hogan and Sharpe have observed when examining the Campbell report: The conclusions don’t follow from the discussion.

  9. jquiggin
    August 5th, 2009 at 09:43 | #9

    “In other words, what is the point of having a secure deposit (ie own a number in an electronic data recording system of an organisation called ‘regulated bank’) if the bakers and butchers have gone out of business because they can’t pay the debt they have with non-bank financial institutions?”

    But then, by hypothesis, the problem is originating in the real/physical sector (something like a slump in demand causing the bakers and butchers to be unable to repay debt), and the response should be from macroeconomic policy.

  10. Ernestine Gross
    August 5th, 2009 at 09:58 | #10

    And whose hypothesis would that be, JQ? And what would be the appropriate macroeconomic policy?

  11. jquiggin
    August 5th, 2009 at 10:44 | #11

    EG, I mean, by the hypothesis of the stated case, namely that “bakers and butchers have gone out of business because they can’t pay the debt”. And, assuming the cause was a slump in demand, the appropriate macro policy is Keynesian fiscal stimulus and an expansionary monetary policy, with the mix depending on the details of the situation.

  12. John Hardy
    August 5th, 2009 at 11:12 | #12

    John, this paragraph appears twice in the text

    “The starting point for a stable regulatory regime must be a reversal of the burden of proof in relation to financial innovation…”

  13. John Hardy
    August 5th, 2009 at 11:18 | #13

    “In some cases need some examples,” dont forget to put in some examples here 😉

  14. Ernestine Gross
    August 5th, 2009 at 11:23 | #14

    JQ, if you can spare another minute, the point I am trying to make is that the ‘unregulated’ financial sector can cause Hymer type scenarios all by itself and an expansionary monetary policy, as is the case at present, amounts to the society honouring fake currency money with fiat money to be ‘paid’ by tax payers. In support of what I say is the result by O. Hart from the 1970s. His theorem requires that each member of society is strictly risk averse. One proverbal Alan Bond is enough to upset the apple cart. This assumption has the effect of providing an endogenous limit on short sales. Using the CAPM framework for interpretative purposes, the private financial sector has short sold national currency units until the system collapsed because physical constraints in the physical economy (as defined before) became effective (add wars, etc)

    I am suggestion a ‘root and branch’ review of the concept of ‘money’, quantitative restrictions on various types of securities that can be issued, and I’d fully support your requirement that issuers of new types of financial securities need to ‘proof’ that they are compatible with a suitably defined stable financial system. I’d only like to add that the method of proof would have to be something different from empirical evidence because by the time one gets that, it is too late. Finally, I find the financial accouting framework to be hopelessly inadequate to deal with our real world monetary economy but I am not surprised that there is the repeated call by some people to return to the gold standard because a monetary system where gold (or silver but not both) is the only ‘money’ is the only one consistent with financial accounting (financial accounting does not distinguish between ‘money’ issued by merchant bankers and that issued by say the RBA. A dollar is a dollar in financial accounting, irrespective of what it means.

    I suppose these points go beyond the objectives of the book. In this case I apologise for violating a boundary. But, I’d much appreciate getting your views.

  15. James
    August 5th, 2009 at 11:26 | #15

    Once it is recognised that markets can systematically mal-invest in the wrong asset classes and sectors, this creates scope for what Lindsay Tanner recently called “nudge regulation”; regulation that changes incentive structures without ruling out options entirely.
    Bubbles should be treated like cigarettes or alcohol; a probably unavoidable evil which some people find addictive and which should be taxed to within an inch of their existence.
    Could I suggest that what is necessary is a regulatory and taxation structure that provides negative feedback on booms and slumps and acts to channel money out of highly speculative “hot money” investment areas into increased investment in capital of the physical and social type. Numerous theoretical and existing examples exist of such structures. For example:
    Higher Capital Gains taxes and windfall taxes on sudden increases in the real value of existing assets (or the discovery of new exploitable resources) to discourage “Poseidon”-type boom/busts.
    Tobin or similar taxes on international monetary transfers discourage currency speculation of the Asian financial crisis/LTCM type, while having little effect on long-term investment.
    Mills or Georgist taxes on unimproved land values discourage real estate bubbles and land speculation while encouraging increased building and more efficient land use.
    Artists rights commissions on resale of works or their copyrights encourage more production in these fields and discourage speculation.
    Plus all the standard Pigouvian taxes on pollution etc (and the removal of transfer and employment taxes like stamp duty and payroll tax so as to encourage the shifting of assets and workers into more productive hands/fields).

  16. Peterm
    August 5th, 2009 at 13:34 | #16

    I think you could link your comments on the complexity of the current financial markets in your ‘Unawareness’ section with complexity theory and the need to place boundaries around decisions. John Kay seems to have made this link in weekly Financial Times column a couple of weeks ago.


    It provides a good basis for you ‘Utility Banking’ proposal in Financial Regulation section.

    BTW: I believe you book will provide an excellent follow on from John Kay’s book. ‘The Truth about Markets’ which was written in response to the nonsense that went on in former communist states in Eastern Europe in the 1990s and is now getting a bit long in the tooth.

  17. ehj2
    August 5th, 2009 at 13:56 | #17

    You’re almost too polite. There’s something too sterile about this conversation.

    The failure of current economics to the needs of human beings couldn’t be more clear. This is the richest moment in history, awash with resources and educated labor, unable to employ a working force of almost incalculable capacity that is ready and willing to feed and rebuild the world. Instead, billions starve on $2/day while millions sit without work and a mere handful increase their ownership (and failed stewardship) of everything.

    The EMH fails utterly at pricing non-renewable resources. As a consequence, I’ve just lived through several decades when the price of a gallon of gasoline was less than a gallon of bottled water, a renewable resource that falls fairly predictably from the sky.

    The EMH fails utterly at enduring investment. As a consequence, in five decades we’ve burned through half of the world’s oil and have employed insanely mispriced energy to harvest most of the resources close to the earth’s surface (including the oceans) and have almost nothing to show for it but huge tracts of flimsy houses already falling apart and massive landfills of disposable junk and fouled oceans filled with strange toxins and thousands of acres of miasmic plastic debris. This is like winning the lottery and buying a million tons of cotton candy.

    This model doesn’t need to be tweaked. It needs to be savagely disposed before we waste the last of the world’s cheapest energy and lubricant and fertilizer and accessible resources on junk and additional CO2 poisoning.

    There’s something about this whole idea (EMH) that is an artifact of our perception that is a complete illusion. This illusion goes further than the illusion of our rationality as investors or the pseudo-myth of the possibility of perfectly shared information in perfectly open markets. As a species, we’re not designed for openness in any of our communications, so this is just stupid on the face of it. In engineering you could never get away with positing something this obviously wrong simply because it made subsequent calculations possible.

    I’m not saying the following is the right answer, but it should be part of a larger conversation about the necessary increased role of government.

    We accept the idea of a Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces for protecting the nation militarily (which we’re goofing up by out-sourcing in part to corporations, but I’m reasonably hopeful we’ll fix that).

    We’re going to have to increase the scientific and engineering and economic roles of the government to include something akin to Economist-in-Chief of the Nation. The idea that the government must remain “hands-off” on any but the most rudimentary economic controls is now demonstrably absurd. Every time Wall Street gets control of the steering wheel and the accelerator, the world goes in the ditch. Let Wall Street control the dashboard knobs for the radio station and air conditioning (only the stuff that does not affect the persistence of civilization), and put Government of the people behind the wheel. Of course the Government won’t price things “perfectly” or even “perfectly efficiently.” But given a few acres of computational power and a few decades of practice, it will include externalities (including RISK) a lot better than the market does now.

    More to the point, it will ensure those externalities include the necessary expenditures to retrain and retool people as market sectors shrink and vanish and new sectors appear. And there should be no barrier to government investment in those new sectors, just as there is currently no barrier to government investment in military technology and R&D.

    We forget that the role of these disciplines of knowledge and the institutions we build and the government of which we are a part is to support people and our nation and civilization — not corporations and not investors and not capitalists, who may in fact not live here or be citizens of our country or even vested in our success or the future of civilization.

    Where the profits of labor goes does matter — not understanding that is why we’re in this mess.

    Unfortunately, but most certainly, the government will have to get involved in the media to disseminate accurate scientific and engineering and economic data. Something akin to the impartial Congressional Budget Office will have to be designed that promotes basic accurate information. That anyone who purports to support open markets with free and accurate information (obviously necessary for informed investment) should even argue against such an entity speaks to their actual interest in protecting their own privileged status in a broken world.

  18. Alice
    August 5th, 2009 at 14:01 | #18

    I agree with Ernestine and would suggest the financial accounting methodology has been ineffective for decades – since the 1960s when people started wondering why companies with sound profit and losses and healthy looking balance sheets could suddenly collapse (and then when inflation came and assets were still sitting the balance sheet years later at their miniscule historical cost). How can financial accounting even hope to keep up with the financial markets inventions or perhaps they help design them (to reduce corporate taxes, to hide boo boos off balance sheeet, even to hide assets in divorce, or the accountants themselves to filch beneficiaries inheritances in a quick one two step international switch – ie Tigerlily Hutchence’s.
    Maybe Accounting should be put in the dead ideas book JQ?

  19. Freelander
    August 5th, 2009 at 17:47 | #19

    There could be some discussion in the chapter about the relationship of economics to accountancy and how things that economists tend to favour on theoretical grounds like accrual accounting and crediting profits to the point at which the decision is made and then adjusting with the changes in expectations which is also theoretically pure, can run into problems. When these things are put into practice, because the true numbers are not really known, but are based on some model, they provide wonderful scope for creative accounting, and fraud, which is really what caused the GFC, and earlier, the Enron collapse. I think coming up with a definitive replacement theory for asset markets might be difficult. However, showing that the EMH has so many problems and is inconsitent with so much evidence that has been accumulated would show that effort should be spent working on alternatives, informed by evidence, and (shock horror) other disciplines. Most sciences at least attempt to be coherent with, and informed by, other sciences. A good example of this is Astronomy.

  20. Ernestine Gross
    August 5th, 2009 at 17:49 | #20

    “if the market price for assets is not the “right” price, what is?”.

    One answer is readily available: It is a price that belongs to an economy that has the property of being generically Pareto inefficient. I am using the terminology and results from the theory of incomplete markets.

    Question: I am getting the impression that EMH stands for whatever underlies micro-economic reform (economic rationalism). Am I wrong?

  21. Alan
    August 5th, 2009 at 21:38 | #21

    Professor Quiggin,
    I agree with much of the points you have made in this post, but there are a couple of points I would like to mention:

    * in the spirit of Ernestine Gross’ last question, I think your arguments should distinguish between market efficiency and market completeness (in theory we can have one but not the other; both; or neither). In my opinion, many of the arguments for financial innovation (e.g. CDS, asset- and mortgage-backed securities) were attributed to ‘completing the market’ rather than attempting to arbitrage from some form of informational efficiency.

    For example, some of the arguments justifying securitisation was that it allowed investors to tailor their risk exposures; prior to securitisation, having exposure to banks themselves was not a very “efficient” (here I mean efficiency in a portfolio or risk-return sense) manner of obtaining such exposure to mortgages. In the finance jargon, mortgage backed securities were better “mimicking factors”;

    * There certainly are arguments about whether such innovations were truly innovative, either from a purely finance sense (i.e. did they really complete the market, or was it just a case of chicken dressed up as turkey?) or from a social welfare sense (the ‘originate and distribute’ model encouraged the erosion in lending standards by divorcing the eventual buyer of the loan from the originator). But it seems a long bow to draw to attribute all of financial innovation – and the recent turmoil in these markets – to arguments related to the EMH.


  22. charles
    August 5th, 2009 at 22:03 | #22

    ehj2 that is the sanest piece of writing I have seem on EMH for a long time. If a method can’t put a value on a non renewable resource that is realistic then it really should be rejected. It’s a pretty solid argument.

  23. stockingrate
    August 5th, 2009 at 23:20 | #23

    fyi Thaler has an EMH article in the FT 4 AUG

  24. Ernestine Gross
    August 5th, 2009 at 23:50 | #24

    “The failure of current economics to the needs of human beings couldn’t be more clear.”

    I couldn’t agree more, although I may not agree with all of your inferences or suggestions, ehj2. This may be due to different usage of terminology or technical matters or for reasons I can’t think of.

    Economics being a serious field of inquiry rests, IMO, on the premise that its fundamental research question is concerned with the material (as understood by natural scientists) welfare of humans. As such, its subject matter intersects with natural sciences and with moral philosophy – the latter being relevant for the interpretation of ‘welfare’.

    Oddly, it is the theoretical framework in Economics, judged by many to be most ‘unrealistic’ (Walrasian and non-Walrasia general equilibrium theory), which has remained true to Economics as characterised. This research program progressed by means of the application of pure math. Each major new result involved the application of new (to Economics) mathematics. Progress itself becomes subject to independent (of economists) observation and it becomes accessible to just about every society in its language. One can say that during the past 50 years there has been progress in becoming ‘more realistic’ in the sense of introducing market structures that are observable. For example sequential markets for commodities and for at least elementary types of financial securities, and fiat money, and ‘missing markets’ (incomplete markets). We learned a bit. For example, we learned about the distinction between financial market completeness and commodity market completeness. It is the latter which is of primary interest for human welfare (one cannot breath or eat the numerical values of payoffs of complete financial markets, informationally efficient or otherwise, but breathing and eating are essential for human survival). Similarly, the natural environment is essential for human survival, irrespective of the completeness and informational efficiency of financial markets. It is an unfortunate fact for those who want to have complete commodity markets, that the natural properties of ‘environmental commodities’ are non-marketable because they are not divisible in the same way as the numerical pay-offs of financial securities. And, and, and ….

    This research program has its origin in European 18th century moral philosphy. It is perhaps not surprising that therefore most work has been done in this tradition and the Walrasia strand is now known as ‘competitive private ownership economies’.

    IMO, the current ‘mess’ is the result of compounding confusions, be they accidental or ideological. Firstly, ‘capitalism’ is hiding behind ‘market economics’ (the Verbal-theoretikers’ version of Walrasian g.e.) in the sense that the pretence is made these words are synonyms. They are not. Capitalism, in one form or another, is the institutional framework in which we live. This framework is founded in law. Second, economic rationalism confuses ends with means. That is, the achievement of ‘competition’, ‘free markets’, ‘private ownership’ and ‘accounting profits’ (and GDP growth) are the policy objectives instead of the material welfare of humans. Oddly, this confusion took place during the period when the said research program produced results which would have called for reconsideration.

    But for some economists the theoretical framework has been viewed as an aid for planning. I understand it is in the area of environmental and resource economics where it is used as a planning aid.

    We don’t need a ‘realistic theory’. We need a theory to explain reality such that society can make changes to the man (person?) made institutional (legal) environment – a theoretical point of reference for Economics concerned with the material welfare of humans.

  25. ehj2
    August 6th, 2009 at 03:41 | #25

    I recognize the huge distinction between academic economics (in the service of humankind and civilization) and the notions of economics promoted by the media, and should have noted in my diatribe above that this distinction is not unlike the distinction between the academic sciences and the notions of science and engineering (oh, the contrived controversies) spontaneously generated whole-cloth by corporatists and promoted by a corporatist-owned media to manage a population raised on “freedom of speech” (even nonsense speech), and voodoo notions (not fully or ethically or honestly presented economic notions) of “free markets” and the potential upsides and downsides of unmanaged “deregulation.”

    I do not disparage your discipline, but laud your efforts to find a true light in the reigning dark. What I disparage (and I regret and apologize for not making clearer) is the way your discipline (in my mind but steps beyond alchemy and perhaps at the level of Boyle’s Law as a consequence of the complexity of human psychology), is used to justify the rape and pillage of the world for the benefit of a few who don’t even know what they might do with the world. And thus we are all in the hands of powerful and indolent children.

    Your discipline offers greater hope to mankind than mine (and in fact enables — demands and funds — my discipline, the engineering of large infrastructure systems), so I ardently long for your imminent success on behalf of humankind and the planet.

    Allow me one example of my worry — the national electrical grid — currently in the hands of corporate greed-heads who benefit from scarcity and have every incentive (including corporate law that [i] demands Boards pursue profits above all other considerations, and [ii] precludes potential whistle blowers via non-disclosure agreements from “free speech” regarding corporate misbehavior) to ensure scarcity, artificially high prices, and maintain barriers to market entry (including government — i.e., collective — investment in R&D for alternatives).

    Look at your monthly KWH usage of electricity. Now look at your monthly consumption of gasoline and convert to KWH (a gallon of gas, perfectly converted to work, is 37 KWH) and add the two numbers together (ignore the fact that transported electricity loses potential work, conversion to battery storage loses potential work, and conversion to mechanical energy loses potential work).

    Now imagine everyone around you plugging in their electrical cars (transportation appliances) at the same time every night and the impact on the national grid as we pass Peak Oil (internationally, of course, oil will “run out” slowly over the next five or more decades, but it will quickly become more expensive as demand rises) and we turn to electricity (the right answer, by the way) for storable and transportable and safe energy derived from a multitude of known and unknown sources (including millions of solar rooftops during the day, wind panels at sea, algae ponds in New Mexico, wave energy collectors off the coasts, geo-thermal collectors, etc).

    The problem of economics is not how Joe Average makes the decision to buy a case of beer over a stack of books (maybe he is efficient at that), but how society funds large-scale infrastructures for energy and water and food and health-care in a coming era of dwindling easy sources.

    I don’t mean to sound like a smartass. I’m shaking with fear for my children and grandchildren like everyone else.

  26. Ernestine Gross
    August 6th, 2009 at 12:48 | #26

    ehj2, I don’t mean to sound like a smartass either when I say that I agree with you that there is a need for governments to plan, finance and own infrastructure on behalf of their citicens. Private companies can be employed to carry out work (‘outsourcing’ in modern management speak). This used to be part of what we called ‘mixed economy’ and I understand this model of resource allocation was successful in the development of many countries in Europe and in Australia.

    While we are at it, there is another negative side-effect of micro-economic reform (economic ratioalism, in addition to corporatisation you mentioned. It is that local community based solutions to small scale externality problems (evolution of traditions; the smallest I can think of is : don’t eat crunchy apples in public places that are relatively quiet) have been or are threatened to be dismantled because ‘everbody’ has been re-educated (unlearn) to look only after number 1 in terms of dollar wealth only.

  27. Tom N.
    August 6th, 2009 at 17:04 | #27

    EG (#20) said: I am getting the impression that EMH stands for whatever underlies micro-economic reform (economic rationalism). Am I wrong?

    The point to using such terms, Ernestine, is not to be tied down to any tight and consistent definition, for doing so risks revealing that what is being criticised (typically) is something that no-one actually holds to. Michael Pusey got away with this for a while a decade or so back, criticising ‘economic rationalism’ (which was taken by many to mean mainstream economics) without ever defining the term, until finally forced to when he came up with words to the effects that, as an ism, it is policies based on the view that money, markets and materialism were always, in principle, superior to the state and society. Only then could it be pointed out that no economist actually believed that.

    Q, in his book’s introduction (and sorry for this late post, but I’m just back from hols), conflates “free market ideology” with “economic liberalism”, “economic rationalism” and “laissez faire” economics and implies that they are the “dominant economic paradigm”, setting the scene for the various straw man attacks to come.

    In this particular thread (though more in comments, though it would be useful for Q somewhere to clarify this point), we have the incorrect notion that EMH – a theory about financial markets – underpins microeconomic reform generally. Yet there is a myriad of areas of micro-reform – for example, car tariffs, consumer safety, skills training, dairy price regulation and book imports – that have virtually nothing to do with EMH.

    Q often points out that the terms neoliberalism, economic rationalism and such like are used loosely as a pejorative, as if that stating that insight makes it okay for him to use them in a similarly loose fashion. While Puseyesque grand narratives have obvious appeal, I hope that the final product here will do more than I have seen sofar to differentiate between the different aspects of economics and policy making and their relationship to the GFC and EMH.

  28. August 6th, 2009 at 23:47 | #28

    “The facts, however, tell a different story. Figures from Trustnet show that, over the last five years, only a minority of unit trusts in the UK all companies sector (91 of 254) have out-performed an index-tracker fund.
    This means that the key prediction of the EMH is correct – it is incredibly hard to beat the market”


  29. Ikonoclast
    August 7th, 2009 at 08:35 | #29

    Ehj2 is absolutely right and expresses his points very well. Speaking from pure intellectual vanity, I wish I had written those posts. They are darn good. Ehj2 does an excellent job of pointing out the collective insanity of our current system and its inability to plan for the day after tomorrow. There’s nothing I can add really.

  30. pedro
  31. pedro
    August 7th, 2009 at 12:52 | #31

    ehj2, bottled water is dearer than petrol because it is in a bottle. I’d bet that a litre of petrol sold in a pre-packed bottle would be dearer than water or even cola. That old canard tells you nothing about problems with economics or rational pricing.

  32. Ernestine Gross
    August 9th, 2009 at 10:09 | #32

    pedro @30, why don’t you read the original Fama definition instead of disseminting mertely ‘talk’.

  33. Derick at Home
    August 9th, 2009 at 13:00 | #33

    1. Big question PrQ. I’m not sure behavioural economics can help. After all, isn’t the EMH suggesting that asset prices reflect the pooled assessments of market participants weighted by the $$$ they pay to exchange the assets (and probably just as importantly any assessments not to participate in trades). If this is anywhere near the mark then the EMH is a behavioural model ex post, if not ex ante. Lots of luck in finding a better performer than market prices, despite volatility in the form of black swans pricking the odd bubble.

    2. The linkage between the physical economy and financial markets, specifically pricing natural resources seems to me to be a problem of institutional failure rather than the result of economic theory. Whilst much resource exploitation (both of the extractive and degradation type) is excluded from the man-made institutions and legal constructs called markets, that exploitation will remain priceless. Just listen to the whingeing from the industries that depend on a limited externality becoming an internality as a threatened by the CPRS, a piece of legislation.

    3. New models of financial system regulation. I agree with many commentators that the GFC had its roots in a situation where incentives were misaligned with risk. Securitization separated the functions of loan approvals from long term risk bearing; ratings agencies were likewise in an ethical odd spot in accepting fees for rating the securitization strucures that resulted from the incentive-misaligned activity, including the layering of securities into increasing risk tranches, ending up with the CDOs, and credit risk swaps that were supposed to immunise the holders of such instruments from loss. What is not often discussed is why this happened. In my view they resulted as a response to the limitations imposed on “core banking” by the Basle Accords. Irrespective of how the Basle conventions tried to measure things (also flawed in my view), the capital adequacy of an institution was a function of total asset values, providing a huge incentive for instititions to unload or otherwise minimise assets, whilst taking fees in the form of loan assessment for and loan repayment collection from assets on which they no longer bore the risk. Voila: a new class of institution, outside the regulatory framework. It has ever been thus: attempts at regulation result in predominantly legal innovation to work around specific provisions. There are plenty of historical examples in Australia of workarounds in reaction to attempts to ration credit by direct or indirect regulation, as opposed to fiscal and monetary policy interventions.

    4. So I arrive at the fact that asset bubbles and black swans will always be lurking around, irrespective of economic theory, accounting rules, regulatory regimes and so forth. No doubt there are some things that can be done better than they have been to stop bubble formation and subsequent collapses spilling over into the real economy, but in the end its fiscal and monetary policies informed by history that offers the best bet. There are signs that this is also a lesson from the GFC.

  34. Pedro
    August 10th, 2009 at 13:23 | #34

    I have Ernestine so I’m not quite sure what point you are making. Fama most assurely did not say that market prices at all times reflect all available information. Mind you, even Fama has had a bit to say since the original work. The important point is not that markets are perfect at pricing things, its just that nobody does it better. You can decide structural rules for things like leverage and use of derivatives, but you can’t replace the market with a regulator and expect the judgement of the regulator to be superior.

  35. Ernestine Gross
    August 10th, 2009 at 18:13 | #35

    Pedro, my comment was based on the information available to me. As you know, communications on blog comments are a challenge.

    I’ve noticed some people look for sentences in books. I have in mind chapter 5 in Fama’s “Foundation of Finance”. It is certainly true that Fama defined ‘capital market efficiency’ with respect to sets of information (past prices, publicly available information and ‘all available relevant information’), arriving at three versions. Weak form, defined: “prices fully reflect all information in past prices”; semi-strong form: “prices fully reflect all publicly available information; strong form: “prices fully reflect all available relevant information”.

    “The important point is not that markets are perfect at pricing things, its just that nobody does it better. You can decide structural rules for things like leverage and use of derivatives, but you can’t replace the market with a regulator and expect the judgement of the regulator to be superior.”

    I don’t know of any contemporary economist or anybody in my circle of friends and acquaintances who proposes what you are saying. May I have references, both academic and popular in support of what you are saying because otherwise I would get the idea, possibly quite wrongly, that you are fighting an imaginary proposition. Let say, however, that there is something between ‘no market’ and ‘all market’.

  36. Alice
    August 11th, 2009 at 20:49 | #36

    @Ernestine Gross

    “Let say, however, that there is something between ‘no market’ and ‘all market’.”

    Once again I agree with Ernestine.

  37. James
    August 13th, 2009 at 11:18 | #37

    Story on the fallibility of the EMH in Inside Story: http://inside.org.au/the-queen-and-the-perfect-bicycle/

  38. OldSkeptic
    August 17th, 2009 at 20:08 | #38

    Hye I’ve got an idea. Take all the EMH economists and put them to real useful work.

    Our toilets are not clean enough. We would like some servants to clean the house and iron. For the first time in their miserable lives they would actually do something useful and positive.

    Hey, I lived where the second place EMH theories were applied (Chile was the first). Do you like 90% unemployment? Because there were some areas of Glasgow that actually had that. That was economic success. Plenty of prisons (that gerat growing industry) to take care of the troublemakers though (funnily enough never enough money for health, but always lots for ‘security’)

    Hey, it never worked since it gained traction in the early 80’s, we (particularly the Anglo Saxon world) have never generated enough jobs or wealth over the last 30 years. Govt’s simply lied .. and changed definitions. Jobs disappeared, wages never stayed up with inflation, debt was easy though!

    Have a look at ABS stats, not the ‘official unemployment’ ones. 5%, nonsense. Double it, add another 5% and then you were roughly at the true 15%+ level. Add underemployment and you are at the 20% level .. and that was the ‘good times’.

    I’ve said it before, ‘neo-liberal economists’ (ie EMH, et al) were just puff pieces to cover looting and the biggest transfer of wealth from ordinary people to the wealthy we have seen since WW2. No overall real wealth increase in societies (take the debt increase out of Oz over the last 20 years and we have been going backwards in GDP and of course normal persons’ wealth).

    Just a cover for a desire of the elite to go back to the 1890’s.

    Better practice your forelock tugging people (practice saying ‘Gov’ner’ and ‘Master’ and ‘Sir’ and ‘Madam’), fortunately the NL economists will be dumped as they have outlived their usefulness, though some other ‘useful idiots’, Lenin’s term, will be found to prattle endlessly about how things are getting better .. when they are obviously not.

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