Election day open thread

Rumours, anecdotes, observations, predictions … post whatever you want, sticking to civilised discussion and no coarse language, please.

For what it’s worth, having predicted a Labor win from the start, I’ll stick with that, and estimate that Labor will get 80 seats.

36 thoughts on “Election day open thread

  1. “They will be too busy doing a victory lap around Howard’s political corpse.”

    Damn straight. Break out the rumba music.

  2. Lobes Says: h 24th, 2007 at 7:33 pm

    Damn straight. Break out the rumba music.

    We are “richer, stronger and prouder” under Howard’s ministry, at least than we otherwise would have been under alternative arrangements. Our portfolios are bulging, our armies prevail, our history is no longer trashed. Howard deserves proper credit for this.

    He deserved to lose the election. Work Choices was a gigantic blunder. Like Little Bill Hagget in the Unforgiven, he is entitled to complain that he “does not deserve this” ie losing his seat.

    But, as Will Munny said, pointing the gun at his head about to blow it off, “deserves got nothing to do with it”.

  3. I don’t think that Australia will recover easily from the damage that Howard has done to this country.
    Our international standing damaged by the Iraq/Afghanistan catastrophic misadventures.
    The skewing of our national assets away from education, research and infrastructure.
    The ridiculous demonisation of worker advocate groups, with a rerun of 30 year old culture wars.

  4. I should be elated. I am no fan of Howard. But , frankly, I feel that the challenges going forward are great. The body bags are starting to come from overseas, and the economic situation is less certain than what it was.

  5. With the pooled polls predicting a two-party-preferred of 54% for Labor and an actual result of 53% for labor it seems likely that there is a bias of 1% (or 0.35-1.65%) towards Labor from the pooled polls. My guess is that this is mainly from better campaigning from the coalition at the booths on polling day.

  6. The defeat of this Government of despicable and incompetent frauds should have been a foregone conclusion from a long time ago. Whilst I am enormously relieved and feel an enormous sense of satisfaction that this has finally occurred, I am still pissed off that I have had to wait so long to know for certain that that this was going to be the outcome.

    Fred Argy, melanie and Brian were quite right to be as apprehensive about the outcome of the election earlier today.

    That the Howard Government got as much as 46.76% of the 2PP vote is, in my view, testimony to the effectiveness of the Liberal’s scare campaign, including outright lies and dirty tricks, as well as the deceit of our newsmedia, particularly the Murdoch newsmedia. Had issues like the AWB scandal, the Iraq war, privatisation of Telstra, corrupt and wasteful pork barelling, the expenditure, since 2004 of AU$1billion of taxpayer’s money on often fraudulent government self-promotional saturation level advertising, their criminal neglect of the environment, their mismanagement of education and training and even defence (see my own article “The myth of the Howard Government’s defence competence” on Online Opinion) etc, the Liberals would not have got anywhere near that level of support. Even the supposed economic brilliance of Howard and Costello peddled ad infinitum ad nauseum by Limited News and even many supposedly on Labor’s side such as Beattie and Latham was a lie as has been.amply shown in article “How the bean-counters took over the campaign” by Ian McAuley

    All of us who worked so hard in our own ways in order to bring about the well-deserved and long overdue demise of this Government could have perhaps felt a little more relaxed a little more if we had a properly functioning democracy in this country that wasn’t being subverted day and night by our corporate newsmedia.

    This should be the subject of a public inquiry. If my views about the the media are borne out as they would undoubteldy be in a properly run inquiry, their licenses to peddle lies shoud be revoked.

  7. Apologies, but the sentence in my previous post:

    Had issues like the AWB scandal, the Iraq war, privatisation of Telstra, corrupt and wasteful pork barelling, the expenditure, since 2004 of AU$1billion of taxpayer’s money on often fraudulent government self-promotional saturation-level advertising, the criminal neglect of the environment, their mismanagement of education and training and even defence (see my own article “The myth of the Howard Government’s defence competence� on Online Opinion) etc,the Liberals would not have got anywhere near that level of support.

    should have been:

    Had issues like the AWB scandal, the Iraq war, privatisation of Telstra, corrupt and wasteful pork bareling, the expenditure, since 2004 of AU$1billion of taxpayer’s money on often fraudulent government self-promotional saturation-level advertising, the criminal neglect of the environment, their mismanagement of education and training and even defence (see my own article “The myth of the Howard Government’s defence competence� on Online Opinion) etc. been given the coverage that they warranted the Liberals would not have got anywhere near that level of support.

  8. John Howard systematically dismantled many of the checks and balances in the Westminster system, specifically he undermined the independence of the public service and essentially destroyed Ministerial accountability.

    He has also been the greatest centraliser of political power in Australia’s political history.

    Without question, the rot started to set in before Howard’s election and I don’t pretend simply electing Labour will reverse the damage done to ou democracy over the past decade.

    However, the institutional problems confronting Rudd are similar to those he dealt with as a senior public servant in the Goss Queensland government.

    The challenge for Rudd now is not to become fixated on institutional and cultural change at the expense of concrete achievements as Goss did.

    Rudd is a very, very smart man but it takes more than that to be a successful leader,

  9. Was anyone watching the Channel Nine election night coverage when Robert Ray unloaded on Dennis Shanahan?

    From memory, it was fairly late, comprehensive results from Queensland were coming in, and Peter Van Onselen had just offered another very cautious assessment of the swing and seat count, along the lines of “too close to call, results from WA may mean that the Liberals can still hang on”.

    A clearly exasperated Robert Ray threw up his hands, and said that his figures were (already) showing a 20-seat swing to the ALP and he’d offer $500 to the first person who’d write the Dennis Shanahan column: the one where Dennis analyses the election results and offers the interpretation that they in fact represent a stunning victory for John Howard.

    It was lovely to watch.

  10. The highpoint of the coverage for me was Kerry O’Brien’s Freudian slip as he reported another Labor gain: :That’s looks like another win or the ABC – I mean the ALP”.

  11. In listening to the valedictories, it occurred to me that (1) Howard won’t want the Lib scrutineeers nosing in too close trying to find him a ‘win’ by 10 votes. Sure enough it was reported the next day that no Lib scrutineers were present at the further count or re-count. (2) that Rudd didn’t mention the ‘help’ his candidates got from the Greens to win
    (3) Brown’s address on ABC was full of the passion we have missed from the others and I hope he sticks it to Rudd on where the feed timber supply will come from should a pulp mill ever materialise in Tasmania.

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