I posted this in 2017. Not many people agreed with me, but I think my positiion has been justified by events. Hanson and One Nation have no legitimate place in public life.
Apparently, Pauline Hanson and One Nation are refusing to vote for any government legislation until the government intervenes on the side of canegrowers in a dispute with millers and marketers*
Coincidentally, I was considering the question of how to deal with Hanson’s presence in the Senate and came up with the opposite way of implementing the current situation. The major parties should refuse Hanson’s support, and should show this by having four Senators abstain on any bill where One Nation supports their side. Obviously, this isn’t going to happen with the LNP. However rude they may be about Hanson and other ONP members when they say something particularly appalling, ONP is effectively part of the coalition and is being treated as such.
But for Labor, I think the case for shunning One Nation is strong. The arguments for a complete rejection of One Nation’s racism are obvious. The costs would be
(i) In votes where Xenophon went with the LNP and Hanson with Labor and the Greens, this would turn a win into a loss (I think – can someone check)
(ii) Open hostility to One Nation would probably shift some ONP voters to change their second preferences
I don’t think either of these points have a lot of weight. But the self-styled Labor “hardheads” whose brilliant moves have included putting Family First into Parliament and abolishing optional preferential voting in Queensland, just when would help Labor most, will doubtless disagree.
* These disputes have been going on for decades, reflecting the fact that, because sugarcane is costly to transport, growers are very limited in their choice of mills, and millers similarly depend on a relatively small number of growers to keep them in business.. I haven’t looked into the merits of this one
John Quiggin 
Just browsing and discovered an item missed yesterday. Observe, they have the cheek to announce this on the eve of the NSW election.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/20/new-rules-for-job-seekers-prompt-warning-about-another-robo-debt-debacle
My guess is, even Labor underguesses actual youth unemployment, must not mention that in case am branded a redneck, like poor old Daley.
One last, a slight diversion, make of it what you will.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/22/anna-palmer-cant-remember-why-millions-shifted-to-clive-palmer-company
“migrant contribution to births in Australia currently runs at near half”
Nick, the graphs. Also the 2016 census numbers that you would seem to be familiar with published 27June2017 show 49% of population were either first or second generation migrant stock. 26% first generation which no doubt has increased significantly some three years on as it has been doing for decades. So the first and second generation migrants being near half of the total population then it follows that that migrant cohort has near half the offspring. Apparently one has to presume in such a way, or infer from the Leith van Onselen ZERO NOM alternative curves comparison, for it must be racist and verboten (but more likely shrewd politic) to inform the voters by publishing clear breakdowns of the migrant arrivals hefty long tail of contribution to natural population increase. The now slim majority voting resident third or more generation migrant stock understanding of natural increase presumably would be that it is nearly all their own doing. The duopoly and Big Australia cartel seeks not to wise them up on population in any clear way other than spin.
Much of the material out recently about the regressive nature of white Australians ( victimhood entitlement etc), while probably true when seen from a certain trajectory, ignore, fail to mention that most cultures retain atavistic, conservatistic traits, so what comprises the white Australian outlook is not an essentialist, exclusive to us, trait.
Other established cultures also exhibit traits that seem irrational to outsiders that fit in with the beliefs etc, metalanguage within a culture or subculture. Hatred of pork and non-employ of cattle for food or when diseased, with some times severe sanction for disregard of the rules, come to mind, these sorts of things are at the fibre of people living within some cultures and not irrational to such folk.
Likewise, to suggest trade union membership and activism is anomic and racist could be quite incomprehensible to generations of people who had to lean that disunity is death in a capitalist society.
What seems odd to a cloistered white-collar social anthropologist, for example, is quite rational to people like me, not some excuse for “racism”.
For my part, I wonder if such people consider how odd Acadedemil or legal profession parades, where participants march like members at a Klan gathering, from church or to courts or Uni hall, dressed in gaudy robes and odd hats, might not seem peculiar to outsiders.
We know classism is a now old and discarded concept, but forgive some of us wondering just the same.
Getting back to the real causes of heavy refugee flows how rarely is the question of reasons for the movement of large numbers of people considered?
Much was said of Genie Energy a few years ago during one Israel’s attacks on Gaza, with these came the suggestion that Netanyahu, the pointsman and the people involved with Genie Energy, were really initiating a campaign to get at gas fields off the Gaza Coast as well as shale oil depositis, but with the intention of avoiding paying royalties to Gaza/Palestine, charming stuff like stealing wheat from a blind fowl.
When we consider the flow of refugees from the mid east, do we ever consider causes (eg the Iraq wars)?
What does us this following suggest to us about real causes?
Who are the REAL racists and what contribution do they make to the remedying ofthe problems they cause?
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/israel-grants-golan-heights-oil-license-2013-2?fbclid=IwAR0PSyGWoQiP_g9salY-UqUt8sSSZuwL-edlU_v9l92H5lb3xAS9DyATQTI&r=US&IR=T
Svante, if my mother was born in New Zealand and moved to Australia as a child, my father was born in Australia and has never left the country, and I was born in Australia and have never left the country – am I a migrant?
Paul Walter, you are right, many cultures have a lot of racism. There are Malay nazis who want the removal of all except ethnic Malays from the Malay peninsula. Its bound to be the same elsewhere (just look at the “leave” sentiment in England).
But there are great reasons not go tolerate such attitudes in your own country. Firstly, its just stupid. Secondly it is counterproductive.
I just found a Youtube video of Fraser Anning’s parliamentary maiden speech, full of supportive comments. Its sickening to see such attitudes.
Nick, on the face of it you are a 2nd generation migrant, no? But then again, do you have further info on residency status and/or citizenship related legalities to disclose?
In the NSW election the seat in which the Christchurch shooter grew up (Clarence) has recorded a vote of 18.3% to the Shooters Fishers & Farmers party. This vote is just under Labor 20.8% and well ahead of the Greens 7.6%.
SFF have been around for a while and are of some influence – they are essentially a far right wing party.
Nick, on the face of it you are a 2nd generation migrant, no?
Svante, can you tell me more about this? “second-generation migrant” — a migrant who didn’t themselves actually migrate anywhere — seems like an odd category to be a person’s first go-to in the salience stakes.
I mean, treating a person one of whose parents migrated here as a subcategory of “migrant” rather than as a subcategory of “native-born” suggests that you find ancestral experiences a more useful basis for classification than personal experiences, which… isn’t how I see the world, at least.
[JQ: it might be worth carefully considering the conceptual framework that would lead a person to talk about “second-generation migrants” and whether that’s a conceptual framework that is likely to produce perspectives that offer you useful insights.]
Svante, and just so we’re clear, in the scenario above, if my partner was born in Australia, and her parents were born in Australia – are our kids “the children of migrants”?
I should have acknowledged Collin Street’s comments btw, which put it succinctly.
Nick, “just so we’re clear” you’ve ducked clarifying the situation you posed above. It is important, as I’m fairly certain now you already know, for it would seem an alternative possibility arising from your brief scenario is that you may not have Australian citizenship.
In the continued absence of the requested clarification on legalities, that extended now to all players, and on the face of this your third go round, mindful that all citizens of Australia are migrants to some degree removed, then in answer to the nub of this developing set up “are our kids “the children of migrants”?” it may be the case that they are of first or second or third degree migrant stock, or are not as not citizens.
Collin Street says: March 24, 2019 at 10:23 am
“”(Svante) Nick, on the face of it you are a 2nd generation migrant, no?”
Svante, can you tell me more about this? “second-generation migrant”…”
Certainly Colin. For those who came in late (no pun on the near 50% of total population rapidly increasing 1st and 2nd generation migrant vibrancy) here you go:
Nick says: March 22, 2019 at 1:30 am
…As I’m sure everyone here is aware, and if not please read the Scanlon report I linked to, actual levels of Muslim immigration in Australia are extremely low, and just a small fraction of total immigration levels – and many came here as refugees as a direct result of wars we’ve participated in.
Svante says: March 22, 2019 at 3:40 am
Nick, high general population growth rates would continue for some considerable time even after a massive cut to immigration – migrants continue having kids after they arrive, so the migrant contribution to births in Australia currently runs at near half…
Nick says: March 22, 2019 at 11:00 am
Svante: “migrant contribution to births in Australia currently runs at near half”
Where did you read this?
Svante says: March 22, 2019 at 3:36 pm
…https ://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/immigration-to-drive-100-of-australias-future-18m-population-growth/
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/viktor-orban-family-policies-western-criticism-by-mitchell-a–orenstein-2019-03
Nick says: March 22, 2019 at 8:00 pm
Svante, yes I get all that. ABS population projection methodology hasn’t changed in at least a decade or two. What I asked was, where did you read this:
“migrant contribution to births in Australia currently runs at near half”
That’s certainly not what that article stated.
Svante says: March 23, 2019 at 2:40 am
“migrant contribution to births in Australia currently runs at near half”
Nick, the graphs. Also the 2016 census numbers that you would seem to be familiar with
Nick says: March 23, 2019 at 8:35 pm
Svante, if my mother was born in…
Svante, I didn’t “duck” your question. I ignored it because it was so irrelevant, I actually assumed you were making a joke.
http://guides.dss.gov.au/child-support-guide/1/6/2
Now that I’ve clarified the situation for you, are you able to answer the question?
Collin Street says: March 24, 2019 at 10:23 am
“I mean, treating a person one of whose parents migrated here as a subcategory of “migrant” rather than as a subcategory of “native-born” suggests that you find ancestral experiences a more useful basis for classification than personal experiences, which… isn’t how I see the world, at least.”
Colin, perhaps so, but these issues now arise due to migrant generational remove, identity, percentages and absolute numbers of migrants, high rates of NOM, high relative population birth rates and contributions to natural increase… etc. The Numbers!
Perhaps a numbers exercise writ large then? What happened to the NSW ALP yesterday? Why? What did Gough warn them of all those years ago when the degree and import was rather small by comparison?
Nick – “irrelevancy” clearly won’t wash.
Now then, you’ve clarified what exactly?
Still zilch.
If you’ve a point to make at all, please make it.
I’m closing comments on this post. Please stick to civil discussion in future, everyone.