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  1. This little snippet from the BradBlog, taken from a Right Wing website, provides an interestin insight into how Murdoch shapes his media:

    http://www.bradblog.com/default.htm

    ‘Saudi Prince al-Waleed bin Talal boasted in Dubai earlier this week about his ability to change the news content that viewers around the world see on television.

    ‘In early September 2005, Bin Talal bought 5.46% of voting shares in News Corp. This made the Fifth richest man on the Forbes World’s Richest People, the fourth largest voting shareholder in News Corp., the parent of Fox News. News Corp. is the world’s leading newspaper publisher in English.

    ‘Covering the riots in Paris last November, Fox ran a banner saying: “Muslim riots.” Bin Talal was not happy. “I picked up the phone and called Murdoch… (and told him) these are not Muslim riots, these are riots out of poverty,” he said. “Within 30 minutes, the title was changed from Muslim riots to civil riots.”‘

    It is notorious that Murdoch is a serial meddler, and FOX has been a blatant pedlar of lies, especially since 9/11.

    But it’s interesting to witness:

    1. How quickly money talks.
    2. How the Right sound just like those hated Left-Liberal Elites when their heads are getting kicked.

    I find this story grimly satisfying.

  2. Ian Gould says: “While it may be unfair to judge a site by it’s commentators, I found this gem on Jihadwatch … ”

    Yes Ian. What you have done is very unfair. I mean would it be fair to trash Professor Quiggin’s fine website by quoting some “Steve At The Pub” rant? You have let yourself down this time Mr Gould.

  3. Good point Andrew Reynolds. I would not blame Israel for launching a strike on Iran. I shudder to think what would happen if Iran had nuclear weapons.

  4. Andrew Reynolds Says: “Anyone care to guess what he would do with nuclear weapons?”

    Probably exactly the same thing everyone else does with them. I.e., nothing.

    Where’s Osama these days? Pakistan. How many right wing wankers are complaining about this, and demanding strikes against or invasion of Pakistan? Pretty close to none. Figure there’s any connection with Pakistan’s possession of nuclear weapons?

  5. QUOTE: Maybe Bush missed the target by one country.

    RESPONSE: Iran was/is definitely a bigger US threat than Iraq.

  6. Every other Iranian President sicne the revolution has been either a powerless figure heard or a stooge for the Supreme Leader.

    Ahmedinajad is unlikely to prove any different.

    Terje, Iran is also a much, much more difficult military target than Iraq.

    A ground invasion of Iran would be a much more difficult task than the invasion of Iraq.

  7. Katz when you wrote 1-2 you forgot to add

    It is notorious that Murdoch is a serial meddler, and FOX has been a blatant pedlar of lies, especially since 9/11.

    But it’s interesting to witness:

    1. How quickly money talks.
    2. How the Right sound just like those hated Left-Liberal Elites when their heads are getting kicked.

    AND

    3. The shadowy propoganda tactics and cronyism of a powerful Saudi unwilling to allow a free press to operate without adding his manipulative 5c.

  8. “3. The shadowy propoganda tactics and cronyism of a powerful Saudi unwilling to allow a free press to operate without adding his manipulative 5c.’

    What The,

    The grim satisfaction I took in this story was the fact that money, whether Saudi-dynastic, or international-corporate-capitalist, talks.

    1. Neither the Saudi Prince nor Murdoch had any regard for the truth.

    2. It was Murdoch, not the Saudi Prince, who called FOX News. Murdoch could have refused, but didn’t. Money talks.

    3. After the call was made, the editor at FOX News could have refused to change the story. S/he could have resigned in protest at propagandistic manipulation, but didn’t. S/he could have blown a whistle that would have been heard b the entire media world, but s/he didn’t. Money talks.

    So the next time you watch FOX News remind yourself about how little respect the owners and executives of FOX News have for the truth. Money talks.

  9. QUOTE: A ground invasion of Iran would be a much more difficult task than the invasion of Iraq.

    RESPONSE: Please explain?

  10. SJ’s view that Ahmadinezhad is probably likely to do nothing with nuclear weapons is not one held by Mullah Mohammad Ali Abtahi, ex Vice President Iran.
    His comments following the election of Ahmadinezhad

    “I did everything; I fought desperately. It was all for nothing. We all failed. Our country will be lost.”
    There is reason for his despair, because with the election of Ahmadinezhad the radical Islamist hardliners have now recaptured all the control centers of power in Iran. “Ahmadinezhad,” Abtahi writes, “is a visionary. He dreams of a second, revolution in Iran, the Islamist one. He is the representative of the rightist extremists that I warned you about. I was always against Ahmadinezhad,” he writes further. “We have always fought against him and against those who back him. Now, however, we have experienced a crushing defeat. What lies ahead for us and for you is the long night of darkness that I spoke about at the time.” Behind Abtahi’s words is the fear that now, since all power centers are united in the hands of radical Islamist power groups around supreme spiritual leader Ayatollah Ali Khamene’i, “these people will play the nuclear card just the same as the card of global terror.”

  11. Terje:

    QUOTE: A ground invasion of Iran would be a much more difficult task than the invasion of Iraq.

    RESPONSE: Please explain?

    1. Iran’s military hasn’t been crippled by defeat in an earlier war and a decade of sanctions.

    2. Iran’s population is roughly 2.5 times that of Iraq.

    3. 90% of the population are Shia muslims. There’s been surprisingly little friction between the two main ethnic groups (the Persians and the Azeris). The only group likely to support an invasion are the Kurds who make up less than 10% of the population. There won’t be any Iranian equivalent of the Iraqi Kurds or Afghanistan’s Northern Alliance. Mujahadeen-i-Khalq, the only significant armed resistance group from the Persian majority has onyl a few thousand supporters.

    4. The transportation system is fairly underdeveloped and several of the major population centres (such as Tehran, Isfahn and Mashhad) would need to be supplied by road over a very long distance. It’d be a much harder task than supplying Baghdad.

    The US woudl also have to cope with a likely uprising amongst the Iraqi shia.

    I expect any military action against Iran for the next few years at least to be restricted to airstrikes.

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