49 thoughts on “North Queensland secedes: Daily Mail

  1. WTF.
    You are a complete dill , Sam.
    The reason I wrote the third post, was because in view of what I’d seen on the news, etc, it was clear ( from here in SA), that I had misunderstood the severity of these floods.
    THAT’S when I wrote the third post, you flatter yourself that you think you would have been the reason for my reply.
    for a THIRD time, re read thepost I sent observing that I had underestimated the Queensland prob.
    God- some people are duffers. my comment was up hours BEFORE you commented.
    What do you think I am?
    A time f—g lord??

  2. Again with the personal attacks.

    I didn’t say I was the cause of you changing your mind. I am familiar with the laws of causality. Read my comment more carefully. All I said was I was right to criticise you on the basis of your first two comments. Also, I said you must agree with this because you changed your mind in #9. Also, as I already explained, my browser window hadn’t updated to include your #9 at the time I made my comment. None of this requires the services of the good doctor or his TARDIS.

    I am glad you changed your mind on the severity of these floods. Better late than never I suppose. I think that any flood which makes the global news and necessitates the evacuation of whole towns (information which was available in the original blog post) is too severe to joke about. I still think you lack natural empathy. Coming from the region as I do, and having lost a reasonably good friend to drowning in a flood not so many years ago as I have, I hope you can see why I don’t react well to someone jeering and name-calling at a time like this.

    Alice, if there is irony to be missed, I am still missing it. Could you explain it to me?

  3. Was just watching Rockhampton on the news, the sheer scale of it is phenomenal. I see how you must be ragged, living on top of it, although am disappointed that people think I would find it was amusing, once the full story was known or realised.
    I couldn’t beleive how the Vic bushfire morphed from a threat into a disaster and this disaster has similar resonances.
    As for Queensland, well, we know you lot corner the market up there as to heavy rain and flooding. If we got just a fraction of that water on a regular basis, things would be different down here where I come and for most of the rest of the country also.
    Just know that I don’t feel it is amusing, it is a disaster and the time spent on recovery will be painful and long, for many people.
    All the best for the future, Sam.

  4. @Sam
    You may have been right on the first twi comments but Paul explained himself and you could have been far more gracious…but you persisted with the reprimands leading Paul to say WTF.

    Now I say WTF. Beacuse if you knew Paul like I know Paul you wouldnt even have wasted your breath on the first negative comment Sam. Paul is a lovely guy. You have made a mistake so just be gracious and accept it…and he was being ironic which you completely missed…re read comment one Sam ..the irony is there.

  5. @Sam
    Sam – you have it totally wrong about Paul lacking natural empathy…really. If you come from the regions being flooded …you have nothing to worry about Pauls empathy. Lets face – even JQs post title could be miscontrued as unempathetic – yet the Prof is one of the most empathetic persons ever. It mentions secession. Paul was sommenting on that….
    I wouldnt mind, personally if we all seceded from both Labor and liberal (and bloody useless governments who do zip in general except consort with big business and flog the family silver and sign up to free trade agreements that do nothing but strangle local production …I better stop there). but that doesnt mean I have no empathy.

    I have lots of empathy and so does Paul.

  6. Well, jeez, kiddies, I’m a Capricornian and I can only marvel at the prescience of the Daily Mail. I got done over by a cyclone last year (the roof still leaks…) and yes, the floods are serious, but in hundred years time when our kiddies kiddies kiddies are celebrating the Battle of the Whitsunday Passage, a ham fisted attempt to retake Hamilton Is, they will fondly remember the second mutinous uprising against Bligh and how she was doomed to float off into oblivion on a foundering QR locomotive.

  7. No Alice, I’m a typical Aussie, in that I can easily cocooon myself from the sort of experience that Sam is apparently experiencing.
    Adelaide is a blessed place when it comes to disasters, the worst we suffer are things like localised flooding and even the bushfires aren’t as severe as Victorias.
    I share the generalised myopia of Australians toward the global poor, for example. I do a bit better than just “breeding” as the root cause of their problems; we both know what really goes toward the mess that billions of poor people are in, but the closest I come to, say, a boat person’s adversity would be an uncomfortable meeting with social security . Many Australians (unless they are aborigines) are generations out from a direct experience of the misery much of the rest of the world suffers under.
    Alice, you have been generous beyond words, but beleive me, your view of me would change if you were ever to see the view from inside my head, sometimes.
    YOU, I respect.
    You hold down a responsible job and seem to have been a great parent and probably a brilliant wife and friend, I love your Aussie spirit.
    But you should not conclude from your own accomplishments that people like me apply the same zest and diligence to life as real Aussies like yourself.

  8. Better she floats off on a doomed QR train (but we really know she will be on a private board or in a private bank dont we?) than QLD is stuck in perpetual mutiny. The woman is living up to her name of being the most hated Qlder, just like the other Bligh in NSW.
    (Blight more like it).

  9. @paul walter

    Hey Paul – no you dont cocoon that easily…we all do (cocoon). How many things do we try not to think about? Cant think about everything or madness isnt far away..cocoons help.

    I do think about fairness and I do see it slipping away in Australia and I do see most people I know feeling somewhat disconnected from our governments and the direction they are taking (cognitive dissonance or buyers remorse..no matter what party).

    Why so? The only reason I can think of is too horrible to contemplate…that politics is a mere puppet show for the brief entertainment of the masses…that those with power groom and promote individuals they like, in politics.

    Am I cynical? Maybe.

    It happens in legal jobs that only boys from Trinity with all the right credentials, get the top jobs…

    Well if I am not cynical, and it is truly hopeless, then watch out carefully for well groomed Greens that start talking “market models” and “user pays” and “lower taxes”.

    When they arrive, you know we are being had.

  10. You’re probably right, Alice, but I think Bligh’s biggest problem is that she’s Labor. Now, if she was from that strange amalgam of the other side (run by a dentist of course) and she had just pulled off the latest heist, why, up here, we’d vote for her in droves, even if it was against our better interest. But, well, she’s a socialist, see, so we’re just going to have to secede.

  11. @glmmph
    glmmph – may as well hurry up and secede. Im all for it. If you think Bligh is bad (and she really really is) after the dentist is through with you…you will wish you had pulled your own teeth out.

    Seceding is the most effective option you have.

  12. Floods in Australia are no fun but, without wanting to discount the real anguish the loss of valued possessions and economic production produce the aftermath of Pakistan’s floods goes on deeply damaging the lives of millions in ways most Capricornians can barely imagine and does so unmentioned. Our parochial perspective that inflates the importance local events leads to real tragedies of enormous scale being trivialised.

  13. Jarrah :@Ikonoclast “Over time, we could lessen flood costs (human and financial) by migrating towns and suburbs above the 1 in a 100 years flood level and eventually even above the 1 in a 200 years flood level.”
    Sure. But what about the human and financial costs of migrating towns and suburbs?

    Dont forget the human and financial costs of NOT migrating these towns to higher ground. Personally, I’d rather have the govt buy my flood-prone house (if I had one) at market price and then have the govt facilitate suburb construction on flood-free land where I could re-locate. This business of persisting with towns and suburbs in areas that get 1 in 100 year floods or worse is just plain town planning stupidity.

  14. PS. I notice everybody arguing back and forth and nobody taking notice of the fundamental point that building and/or maintaining towns on flood plains is the root cause of most flooding problems.

  15. @paul walter
    I shouldn’t have made it personal, thank you for the sentiment. One good effect of all this flooding is the windfall for the Murray Darling river system, which hopefully will help solve some of Adelaide’s water problems. You’re welcome to more than a fraction of the water we have.

    Alice, I think all has been said that needs to be said. I’d like to leave it here.

  16. Hi Sam, just looking at the rainfall stats and note another heavy dump of rain just in the last day.
    Looking at Brissie and Rockhampton, you’ve had dumped in a month, the equivalent of my town’s annual rainfall, over twenty inches
    Just looking at a big barra Mark Taylor caught up in that part of the world and he’s using the same terminology, describing the rain “dump” as “phenomenal”.

  17. @Alice

    On the other hand, maybe its just as well that she did sell QR freight when she did – what would she use to rebuild the busted infrastructure otherwise (particularly the rail and road infrastructure)?

  18. Alice, the free marketers should have no problem with private charity. In fact they would agrue that private charity is far more effective than state aid. Seems somewhat naive, but then i think it can be naive to assume the government will do a better job in providing the money needed.

    I think the big case for government in times of disaster is the work of the Army and emergency services which i don’t think could be replicated by private organisations.

    In terms of our parochial response to disasters, i have found it interesting that friends in the philippines have commented that our floods jave made the news there. Floods which kill hundreds of people seem to be a yearly occurence in the Philippines.

  19. @Michael
    Its called Debt – Government Debt Michael.

    Thats how governments have traditionally funded infrastructure.

    As for maintaining it – thats called Tax and it should have been happening but instead Governments have been taking orders from Moody’s and Standard and Poors and idiot US banks and have been obsessed (Capital O obsessed) with running surplus budgets year after year. So obsessed that they have sold almost every income generating asset we actually owned AND shifted their responsibilities for infrastructure creation and maintenance to the private sector in the form of PPS (often ridiculously expensive and full of scorpio sting legal actions against governments if they work at all) and higher user pays everywhere on households.

    Incredibly inefficiently…. and causing household debt to go through the ceiling (surprise surprise – our government is actually more of a burden on households now than at any time in history through their policies of shifting costs to us).

    The greatest swindle and debt shift of all time.

    If I was an accountant Id suggest our governments (both sides) are the worst fiscal managers in the entire history of Australia.

  20. @Michael
    Michael – let me know when Bligh rebuilds the busted infrastructure and what with, now that she has sold QR rail.
    Its time Bligh got up and admitted – she isnt up to the job.

  21. The Toowoomba stuff tonight was dramatic, you wonder what the eventual bill will be particularly as the north of NSW looks in trouble too. And lots more La Nina big wet on the way.
    Meanwhile Perth, which has been sweltering for weeks, is fighting bushfires.

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