60 thoughts on “Election open thread

  1. @stevefrombrisbane #43
    I suspect you’re correct. Should Shorten just go hard and drive Malcolm to commit to not changing any of the policies he is now running with, just to make it clear to everyone that Malcolm isn’t the nice guy people think he is?

  2. @Stockingrate
    I agree that the Greens population policy is weak and I have sent several emails to them on the subject, saying it is embarrassing having to defend such a weak stance on population from an environmental party. The wording has strengthened slightly over the last three election cycles.
    However, I also realise that exceeding the Earth’s environmental capacity is not as simple as too many people. Clearly that horse has long ago bolted and we are headed for major ecosystem crashes even if population growth was to halt now.
    The Greens know that we need to fundamentally change the political system and the economic/financial system just to mitigate the worst of the consequences of ecosystem collapses. Sharing our wealth fairly by assisting the developing world out of poverty sustainably is essential.
    At least the Greens have a population policy. Try finding one on the old party’s sites. I feel sure that, were the Greens closer to achieving government, all of our policies would be more defined – unlike the major parties whose manifesto seems to become ever more vague with each election.

  3. @Stockingrate
    So you think that the Greens population policy is just marketing spin? Do you think other Greens policies are marketing spin? How does marketing spin have the opposite of the desired effect?

  4. @Stockingrate

    How on earth is population policy counterproductive to green causes.

    A Green cause is – derr – “sustainable population”.

    This just means we need more greenwash.

  5. @Stockingrate I agree with Salient Green. Of all the parties, the Greens are about the only one to acknowledge that the present course of our economy is unsustainable. The environmental movement has been publishing and advocating on this since the 1970s. The Greens Party inherits this understanding. (Incidentally, ecological footprint is a resultant of population times drawdown of natural resources not just population alone).

  6. @Moz of Yarramulla
    Moz your point that the Labor Party is also attacking the Greens reflexively is a valid one.

    As to the rest of your post and many of the other comments in this thread, participants seem to be trying hard to make sense of the convoluted set of policy positions articulated by the Coalition. I think there is a simple explanation for the lack of coherence in the Coalition’s narrative: it reflects the policy agenda of Rupert Murdoch himself expressed through his acolytes.

    Murdoch’s worldview is incoherent, replete with internal contradictions and if pruned to its bare bones, profoundly antithetical to Australian values. To attempt to find logic in his mishmash of anti-environmental, pro-US, anti-public service and pro-free trade positions is to seek water in a dry gully.

  7. Going back to Duncan Storrar on Q&A, I realise it was an “emperors new clothes” moment. The naif asking the question that all sensible people were too polite to ask. And I still don’t know the answer.

    Its a very simple question. Why choose to make changes that increase the pay of the well off, but not that of the poor?

    What is the answer? Here are some possibilities.

    The well off deserve the money, and the poor don’t.
    Our current system is too generous to the poor, and we are just fixing it.
    The well off need the money more than the poor.
    By giving money to the well off, the overall wealth of society increases, and everyone benefits.
    We need to reduce the tax burden on the well off, or they will take their talents to countries with lower taxes.
    By lowering the taxes of the well off, we are saving their employers money, because they won’t want as big a pay rise, now that they pay less tax. There is no wage pressure at the poor end of the spectrum, so they don’t need tax cuts.
    Lowering taxes on hard working high income earners will cause them to work even harder and earn more, thus boosting out tax revenue.

    But I suspect the real reason is that these are our people. We like them, and they vote for us, so we reward them.

    Anyone actually know why the Libs lowered taxes on the well off?

  8. The minister for against immigration, Peter Dutton, really gave the game away on why we have such a brutal policy for asylum seekers arriving by irregular means: the LNP’s minister believes that they suck up Aussie resources like leeches, if I have translated the subtleties of his argument correctly. Is this the very best Australian talent we have to offer, are ministerial positions so unwanted they have to go to people who think and say these Duttonesque things? Truly, truly, Gordon Bennett!

    They won’t be numerate or literate in their own language, let alone English. These people would be taking Australian jobs, there’s no question about that. For many of them that would be unemployed, they would languish in unemployment queues and on Medicare and the rest of it so there would be huge cost and there’s no sense in sugar-coating that, that’s the scenario.

    …so we dump them on islands in the backyard of our Asian neighbours, there to languish under lock and key, in limbo and anguish—indefinitely, and costing billions? Is this the very best of Australian politics? The best we can ever expect to see? Jesus wept, and now I know why.

  9. @Donald Oats
    Yeah, the worst thing we can do is let those leeches in that take our unskilled jobs (the ones that nobody wants). That would be a complete disaster for the economy. Almost as bad as letting those gawd-awful backpackers work here without penalty.

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