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  1. United Nations report disproves war crime accusation against Russia

    The UN has concluded its investigation of the 19 September bombing of a UN aid convoy in Syria. UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon released the summary of the Board of Inquiry’s report on 21 December, but it received virtually no publicity, unlike the wall-to-wall reporting of the USA’s and UK’s hysterical accusations at the time that Russia deliberately bombed the convoy. The lack of publicity is doubtless because the report proves there was no evidence for the accusations against Russia.

    My related comment of 2 Jan 2017, on the previous Monday Message Board, was placed under moderation and not approved until some time after comments were closed. Those who may have been interested may not have seen my post. That post was in response to D’s comment of 1 Jan 2017. D’s comment was critical of claims that Russia had manipulated the 2016 United States’ Presidential election.

  2. Here is a quote you can take to the bank from England’s chief economist
    “Conceding the Bank was too gloomy about the impact of Brexit, Mr Haldane said: ‘The profession is to some degree in crisis.’ He added: ‘If an economist ever tells you they are certain about anything, that is the time to worry.’

    Apparently the economy is going gangbusters , stock market has broken all time high 6 days in a row.
    And the dismal profession as usual was predicting doom and gloom

  3. And another classic from somebody who has won a Nobel prize or something VERY important

    New York Times opinion writer and economist Paul Krugman predicted early Wednesday morning that the stock market will “never” recover from Donald Trump’s presidential victory, only to be proven spectacularly wrong in less than a day. Instead of collapsing, the Dow Jones Industrial Average surged to an all-time high shortly before the closing bell.

  4. @James
    I’m not sure I’d go so far as to say that the UN HQ Board of Inquiry report ‘disproved’ Russian involvement, although it certainly cast doubt on it.

    The Secretary General’s summary stated that the Board found that it was not possible to identify the perpetrators, but that it was highly unlikely that international coalition (Western) aircraft were involved, and that noone had alleged their involvement; and that it had received reports to the effect that the Syrian Air Force was highly likely to have perpretrated the attack (specifically, Syrian Mi-17 helicopters). It went on to say that it had also received reports of the involvement of a Russian fixed wing aircraft, but cited information that cast doubt on this, noting a lack of interoperability between the Russian and Syrian air forces. The Board also stated that it had no evidence that the incident was a deliberate attack on a humanitarian target.

    In short, it’s fair to say that the Board found (without explicitly stating so), that Russian involvement in the attack was unlikely, and that the most probable perpretrator was the Syrian air force, but there was no evidence of a deliberate war crime. Nothing if not diplomatic.

    Full text of the Secretary General’s summary of the report can be found that this link (if you delete the spaces): http ://reliefweb. int /report /syrian-arab-republic/ summary-secretary-general-report-united-nations-headquarters-board

  5. chrisl,

    I see that the MSM has yet to lift its game from its ‘reporting’ of the 2016 Presidential elections. You may find of interest:

    Donald Trump savagely rips the CIA over ‘Russia hack’ briefing delay (4/1/17) | Russia Insider by Ricky Twisdale.

    My own site https : // candobetter_dot_net is down for now because of complications with SSL certificates following it being hacked in recent days. The summary of the UN report cited in that article linked to above is at https : // dpa-ps_dot_atavist_dot_com slash summary-of-un-headquarters-board-of-inquiry-report .

    Until my site is fixed, you will have to read between the lines and read other sources to work out all that the report reveals about the attack on the relief convoy in Syria on 19 September 2016.

  6. Tim Macknay at January 6th, 2017 at 17:48,

    Unfortunately this discussion is being hampered by Professor Quiggin’s insistence upon placing each and every post I make under moderation for days at a time. Possibly those who are interested in issues such as developments in the United States subsequent to the 2016 Presidential elections and the wars for national survival now being fought by Syria, Yemen, Iraq and other countries, should find another venue onto which to post their thoughts.

    You should read the article linked to above now that my site https :// candobetter_dot_net is no longer off-line.

    That article shows that even The United Nations, which has been hostile to Syria since the conflict began in March 2011, was forced to acknowledge in its report that many of the claims made by the Mainstream Media (MSM) against the Russian and Syrian airforce concernng that attack on the aid convoy on 19 September 2016 were not supported by the evidence.

    The evidence which refutes the implications in the UN report that the convoy was hit by an aerial bombardment (and implicitly the Russian and Syrian air forces) can be found in many places on the web including Russian, Syrian Air Forces did not strike UN aid convoy in Aleppo – Russian MoD (22/9/16) | RT.

  7. Chrisl, you are lying with regard to Paul Krugman’s comments about the stockmarket. You might think you are only repeating what you have read, but if you fail to practice proper truth hygiene and take simple and basic steps to see if it is true before repeating it, then you are lying via negligence.

  8. Here is a quote from the New York Times
    It really does now look like President Donald J. Trump, and markets are plunging. When might we expect them to recover?

    Frankly, I find it hard to care much, even though this is my specialty. The disaster for America and the world has so many aspects that the economic ramifications are way down my list of things to fear.

    Still, I guess people want an answer: If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never.”
    I suppose everybody is into fake news these days.

  9. Chrisl, the charitable thing for me to do is assume that you either have not done the basic research required to figure out what Paul Krugman was communicating, or you are too lazy to.

    Another possibility is that you don’t want to find out because for whatever reason you prefer to believe a practicing economist has an idiot’s understanding of how the stock market operates.

    I mean, really, what do you think was going through Paul Krugman’s mind when he made those statements? Honestly? Because if you think he was saying, “The Dow Jones Index will never go above 19,900,” you are wrong.

  10. Thanks Ronald I’ll go with option 2
    What would you have done if you had a lazy 100 grand to invest and listened to Paul Krugman’s advice
    Because that is what some of us had to do.

  11. Chrisl, if the second option is you are too lazy, that’s okay, I’ll give you the information. Paul Krugman believes Trump’s Presidency will result in a permanent shortfall in potential output in the United States. He wasn’t making a short term prediction about stock market prices. I found this out by reading stuff he wrote in the New York Times. I didn’t even have to read anything hard.

    If the second option is you prefer to believe a practicing economist has an idiot’s understanding of how the stock market works, well, personally I choose to believe that Angela Jolie is deeply and passionately in love with me, so I can relate to that.

  12. In the New Year I think I worked out part of what Shakespeare’s Sonnets were about one day when I was sitting around doing nothing.

    It looks like the young man in the Sonnets is Christopher Marlowe, he gets stabbed like Christopher Marlowe did, and at the start the older man narrator is telling the young man to have children for about a dozen sonnets in a row. This is because an older man must have asked Christopher Marlowe to get Mary Sidney pregnant — she was the third wife of an older noble Henry Herbert 2nd Earl of Pembroke who was infertile and wanted an heir really badly. So they arranged for Christopher Marlowe to get Mary Sydney pregnant. That is probably why the older man teachers the younger man to write, since they owed Christopher Marlowe a favour for getting Mary pregnant with an heir for her husband and helped him with his writing. It might have been Philip Sidney who asked the favour, he was a bit older by about 7 years, where Mary and Christopher Marlowe were about the same age, and Shakespeare was the same age as Marlowe so those 3 were all contemporaries.

    The young man goes a bit bad in the Sonnets probably because Marlowe was a spy and they say he is like a rose with a canker, I think there is something to do with A Lover’s Complaint at the end, maybe as part of his spy work Christopher Marlowe tricked a young woman that he loved her or something, leaving her to be upset.

    That is why the Sonnets are dedicated to Mr WH — since WH is William Herbert the 3rd Earl of Pembroke — and he is a noble apart from actually he isn’t nobility by blood since his father was Christopher Marlow who wasn’t nobility, so Shakespeare has his little joke and also remembers his friend Christopher Marlowe, by calling William Herbert the 3rd Earl of Pembroke Mister.

    If you look at pictures of Christopher Marlowe and William Herbert they are the spitting image of each other.

    Here are the images to compare:

    Look at how they resemble each other so much!

    Shakespeare must have written the Sonnets partly so WH would know more about his father I think. Shakespeare refers to Marlowe in his work elsewhere saying that it kills a man more for people not to understand his work, than a reckoning in a little room kills him, the reckoning being what they called the fight where Christopher Marlowe died.

    Shakespeare’s First Folio was dedicated to William Herbert and his brother Philip who doesn’t look like Christopher Marlowe so probably had a different father I would guess, which might be why the Folio calls them “incomparable pair of brethren” since you can’t compare them as they have different fathers.

    I haven’t worked out everything. I was thinking the Dark Lady sounded like Anne Hathaway, like she was annoyed at Shakespeare for having affairs or something when he was working away from home. But that would mean the narrator changes at some point from the older man to Shakespeare who was the same age as Marlowe. I will have to read them more to see if I think the narrator changes at some point from the older man trying to get Christopher Marlowe to father a child at the start, to Shakespeare who went home to Anne Hathaway and she was cross at him having affairs.

    I think I am the first person to work this out, at least to put it in writing, maybe someone else worked it out in the past but only talked to their friends about it and didn’t write it down anywhere, but I am not studying Shakespeare so I have nowhere to write it, so I will write it here.

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