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30 thoughts on “Monday Message Board

  1. Well I got up to the 17 minute mark on the climate change link posted by rog. I am not sure that I am going to watch the last 5 minutes or not.
    Comment number 1. The author of the book said that eating beef would not be a problem if the studies are true that show feeding cows seaweed cuts their methane emmissions by 95% and there is a law requireing that farmers actually feed seaweed to their cattle. But that assertion forgets the well known fact that it takes 10 pounds of grain to produce one pound of beef.
    Comment number 2, the author makes the comment that it is the industrialization of the previously non industrialized countries that is creating the “NEW” damage to the environment. This assetion is complete bull shit.
    First of all much of the things that are being produced in China and India are being produced for the consumers of the USA and Europe and their colonies in Australia and New Zealand. Second of all even if China is producing 25% of the new CO2 immessions it is 20% of the world s population. The same thing can be said about India.
    But what is more important than the numbers themselves is that this developement trend for China, India, Indonesia. Brazil and so on was easily forsseeable in 1985. Only a complete fucking Ostritch could not understand that if the leaders of the developed world would want the leaders of the developing world to take global environmental constraints seriously then the leaders of the developed world would have to radically change course FIRST!!
    But the leadership of the west would point their fingers at the electorate and say, if we tried to make the changes that were neccessary we would in a very short time not be the leaders any more.
    Bull shit! I would like to personally stake any leaders who would say that to a large slab of obsidian in the Australian desert in the summer time. These leaders have shown by their behavior over the past century that they are easily capable of manipulating the masses to get the masses to do what ever the elites damned well please.
    So it was certianly with in the power of the elites to do the right thing.
    Comment number 3. the author said that if we hit 2° warming it is still with in the power of humanity to prevent 4° of warming. The idea that humanity controls its own destinity is hopelessly outdated. Has the author never heard of tipping points. Once those tipping points get reached what happens next IS BEYOND THE CONTROL OF HUMANITY.
    The only chance that humanity had to survive was if an extinction rebellion had broken out in the US military decades ago. But that did not happen. This failure of the US military decisively proves that teen age girls in neutral countries have more sense and integrity than the officers of the US military. But teen age girls in nuetral countries lack the physcial connections to move meaningful levers of power. In fact 100 million teen age girls in neutral countries lack the physical connections to meaningful (relevent) levers of power. Teen age girls and boys never had a chance to save their own futures.
    When I was getting my military indoctrination it was impressed upon me that members of the military have to have a can do attitude if they are to be an asset to their nation. What a pathetic hoax that lesson turned out to be. The members of the US military and their allied underlings only had a can do attitudes for things that were easy to do considering the massive amounts of resources that they were entrusted with. Even worse they allowed themselves to be manipulted in to doing the things that did not really need to be done at all while diverting the rest of us from doing those things that really did need to be done in the best possible way.
    The only thing that we have time for now is planting saffaron and hoping that it will spread and provide our food and our history with some color before the collapse of industrial civilzation and our extinction.
    Even if my outlook on our future is to pessimistic it does not matter because planting saffaron is still the first step towards making a better future for all of us, except for those that will die before our future gets here.

  2. It’s God’s will and He will sort it all out! Ask them, those that deny, those that alter communiques in drowning countries, ask them and if they have the guts they will agree. They know they needn’t worry as their excrescence will be ignored in the MSM, perhaps even praised.

  3. Social dilemmas among unequals

    “Our findings have implications for policy-makers concerned with equity, efficiency and the provisioning of public goods.”

    “Our model allows for multiple sources of inequality. Subjects can differ in their endowments, their productivities and in how much they benefit from public goods. We find that extreme inequality prevents cooperation. But if subjects differ in productivity, some endowment inequality can be necessary for cooperation to prevail. Our mathematical predictions are supported by a behavioural experiment in which we vary the endowments and productivities of the subjects. We observe that overall welfare is maximized when the two sources of heterogeneity are aligned, such that more productive individuals receive higher endowments. By contrast, when endowments and productivities are misaligned, cooperation quickly breaks down.”

  4. OKAY!!
    here is a new idea that no one has publically discussed as far as I know. It could be that the reason that no one has mentioned it is because it is such a BAAAAD Idea. In fact it could be my wurst idea ever.
    Here is the background. Some parts of the world are converting oceab salt water to fresh water using very energy intensive processes. Yet Greenland is producing huge quanties of fresh water and dumping it in a place that humanity does not need it dumped.
    For the time being humanity can not prevent that melting if it wanted to. But could it capturesome of that run off?
    Humanity should not ask any Americans if capturing the run off is possible. OK i can imagine that flexible sluices would have to be designed and manufactured. But since this would be a peacful engineering project Americans would be completely unqualified. The sluices would have to direct the water run off in to super tankers. But these tankers would not have to be double hulled. if the hull ruptures it is no major problem.
    Then the tankers would not have to operate at a high speed. 3 or four knots until they are in the ocean currents taking them south wards. Then they ride with the current down to Spain, Portugal. Morrocco, and Mauertanian. Then it could get taken in a pipeline or an underground canal further eastward.
    Would that provide fresh water at a lower cost per unit than the current disalination plants?
    Yes I have heard of the idea of bringing ice bergs by ship to the middle east. Is my idea even less practical than that?

    God, a world in which the only times that I get to cheer is when I come up with a new idea that might not even be a good one is a world with a really pathetic lack of leadership.

    The success of our species is much more dependent on good leadership that it is on making the correct choice between socialism and captialism. Good leadership can overcome the disadvantes of either system.

    Goodly institutions help create goodly leaders.

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