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A new sandpit for long side discussions, conspiracy theories, idees fixes and so on.
John Quiggin 
I hope the Greens elect SHY as leader. She has cut-through and is hated by all the right people.
Aren’t you afraid SHY is a Stalinist? Isn’t any Greenie a Stalinist in your book? If she is “hated by all the right people” then this means you think it is right that she is hated by these “right” people. This is the only conclusion I can arrive at from your posts.
On the contrary, in Soviet terms, I see SHY more as a Left Communist. Stalin would have had her shot.
Smith9 – ambiguous… possibly acurate and… details please.
“She has cut-through” and is that in your opinion “good” or “she cuts through green voters” or will this win or lose more voters???
‘hated by all the right people.” Again is this in your opinion a good or bad. Engender too much pushback?
Who are the “right” pun intended? people?
“Left Communist” in your mind, overton, or an actual description with citation of scale please.
2nd choice?
Silver linings… this is the best one imo “a mass recognition that it’s time to act”
Other suggestions?
“If there’s a silver lining in the clouds of choking smoke it’s that this may be a tipping point
Michael Mann
“Australia’s horrific bushfires could be the catalyst that pushes the world to a mass recognition that it’s time to act”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/03/if-theres-a-silver-lining-in-the-clouds-of-smoke-its-that-this-could-be-a-tipping-point
Smith9.
We think Kant.
We do karn’t.
“Pity the Nation…”
By Lawrence Ferlinghetti
“Pity the nation whose people are sheep,
and whose shepherds mislead them.
Pity the nation whose leaders are liars, whose sages are silenced,
and whose bigots haunt the airwaves.
Pity the nation that raises not its voice,
except to praise conquerors and acclaim the bully as hero
and aims to rule the world with force and by torture.
Pity the nation that knows no other language but its own
and no other culture but its own.
Pity the nation whose breath is money
and sleeps the sleep of the too well fed.
Pity the nation — oh, pity the people who allow their rights to erode
and their freedoms to be washed away.
My country, tears of thee, sweet land of liberty.”
― Lawrence Ferlinghetti
https://www.darvishkhanwrites.com/2017/04/08/pity-the-nation-lawrence-ferlinghetti/
“Ferlinghetti turned 100 in March 2019, leading the city of San Francisco to proclaim his birthday, March 24, “Lawrence Ferlinghetti Day”.[3] “https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Ferlinghetti
That’s great! Now all she needs are the sampo, some alkahest, and the Chintamani stone.
My paternal grandmother lived in Sydney while my mother lived in Melbourne. Whenever they met they would argue about which city had more rain. My mother would cite the records of the BoM and ABS to show that Melbourne had much less rain than Sydney. My grandmother would respond that the BoM and ABS didn’t know what they were doing and must have cooked the figures. I don’t think my paternal grandmother was ever a member of either the Liberal or National Parties but her intellectual influence on them has clearly been enormous.
I have never really regarded SHY as a particularly ideological person. I have always seen her as a person with (to borrow from Judith Brett) “moral middle class” sensibilities. She was elected President of the University of Adelaide Student Association in 2002 on a platform of being a “non-aligned, non-factional independent” with no particularly radical policy commitments, and in her time in public life has been active as what I would characterise as a small l liberal rather than a radical leftist of any kind.
Paul Norton,
Exactly, but to our hard right friends anyone left of Genghis Khan or Attila the Hun is a big bad Commie.
Well done J-D! I have a reasonably wide and largely useless general knowledge horde but I had heard of none of these items. Perhaps a wide experience in reading fantasy literature and mythology or playing computer games in these genres is necessary for such arcane knowledge?
@Ikonoclast
Or you could just google it – it’s 2020 after all. Wikipedia describes each of the three items J-D mentioned – they are mythological artefacts or substances from various cultural traditions that are/were believed to bring good luck or wish fulfilment (more-or-less).
Sadly, the Greens did not take my advice. But, on the bright side, Adam Bandt could be a lot of fun. He’s tweeted about the “upcoming
showclimate trials”. They should be entertaining. I wonder who he’s got in mind for the Andrey Vyshinsky role.Tim Macknay,
I did “duck duck go” them. I just meant I didn’t know what they were before going to duck duck go. 🙂
I don’t think you can go past Cohen the Barbarian “{thwock} Anyone else rather die than betray the emperor?”
Specifically in the context of most Australian voters saying they only support action to reduce emissions if it doesn’t cost them anything. The other option is increasingly obviously death but it remains strangely popular
@Ikonoclast
Until your reply I was not aware of the existence of duck duck go. Thanks for drawing it to my attention!
Yay. Another person aware of ddgo.
At times ddg is frustrating Tim. But use it so they learn, privacy protected, watch youtube within ddgo, and let google be the search if ddgo not satisfying.
My android won’t even allow me to put it as default search enging.
Alphabet = googl = android
J.Q. is quoted on the ABC website and makes a lot of good points.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-06/are-economists-understating-or-overstating-climate-change-cost/11929098
“John Quiggin, an Australian Laureate Fellow in Economics at the University of Queensland, says the problem with economic models is how they treat the worst-case scenarios. John Quiggin, from the University of Queensland, said the problem with economic models is how they treat the worst-case scenarios.
“A lot of attention has been paid to the lower levels of [global] warming because they are easier to evaluate,” he observes.
“Once you get past tipping points, we don’t really have a good handle on what may happen.”
He estimates the economic cost of the latest Australian bushfires alone could hit about $100 billion.
Bushfire cost could run into billions This estimate takes into account massive under-insurance by households and businesses, damage to public infrastructure (which will have to be rebuilt to a higher standard in preparation for future disasters), lost tourism, ongoing health effects from smoke and pollution, and the destruction of entire ecosystems.
“If you look at the way economists were framing the debate, the assumption was bad things will happen around 2050, so how you discount costs and benefits 30 years into the future is a big deal,” Dr Quiggin explains.
“The arrival of climate change much sooner than people expected will render the debate about the discount rate largely irrelevant. Climate change is happening now.”
Another issue that has divided economists is how much it will cost to reduce emissions.
“The technological advancements we have seen mean we could decarbonise the economy very cheaply if we choose to,” Dr Quiggin argues.
“But even with technological improvements, it will only happen if the policymakers want it to happen.””
Thanks, Ikon
Paul Norton, I did some study mature aged at Adelaide Uni at the beginning of century and SHY was huge on student politics.
Re Quiggin and Ikon, this (changes, never changes at all?):
https://www.google.com/search?q=joni+mitchell+big+yellow+taxi&oq=joni+mitchell&aqs=chrome.4.69i57j0l7.6692j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8