A new sandpit for long side discussions, conspiracy theories, idees fixes and so on.
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John Quiggin 
I’m sorry Classic Radio Stories, I don’t think it’s lunatic to ask exactly how nefarious the setup was and to be interested in the details of the scheme. Also I didn’t mention Snopes! Anyway, let’s not get distracted. What’s the scheme? Why plant a Cuban bastard in the Canadian government? Who is doing this and what’s the link between Castro, Trudeaux, Goldman Sachs and Biden? I don’t think I’m going to find this out from Snopes, but you seem to have a solid theory about it all, so can you explain?
Your stupidity doesn’t bottom out. How would I know what the scheme was (you mean only one scheme. Thats a bit of a crazy assumption isn’t it)? The point is to have your people in influential positions so you can deal with the problems of the day. But if you have people who really hate the public, and want to rub the publics noses in their own stupidity, then they can pull stunts like this and watch all these drones running around saying “nothing to see here”.
It remains to be seen what they are up to with putting a brain damaged man in as frontrunner. Thats something that has not unfolded yet. Are they simply abusing the Republic? If you have an essentially dead man filling the role of President does that make it easier to do bad things? Maybe. It certainly could make it easier to put Trump back in again, if you see to it that he doesn’t have any real competition.
So Classic Radio Stories, you’re absolutely sure that Castro played a 30 year long game to get his bastard son to be PM of Canada after Castro died, to the extent that you are willing to peg it all on circumstantial evidence, but you have absolutely no idea why he did it or what he stood to gain. You think it is because it’s “Oligarchs vs. the people” because you think Castro is … an Oligarch who was in league with Goldman Sachs. You think that Biden is being manipulated by shadowy figures you won’t name in order to help Trump win. You talk about “they” repeatedly – “they” are abusing the republic, it remains to be seen what “they” are up to, “they” want it to be easy to do bad things – but you don’t know who “they” are, what the bad things are, or how they are simultaneously allies with Trump and Castro.
I think your theory needs a bit more flesh on its bones. Do you have that flesh?
It was the first hit that came up when I did a Web search. Here are some of the other hits from the same Web search:
https://nyulocal.com/new-world-university-justin-trudeau-is-fidel-castros-son-bccf01403a86
https://www.vice.com/en_asia/article/jmk95b/we-investigated-those-damning-rumors-about-fidel-castro-being-justin-trudeaus-real-dad
https://globalnews.ca/news/4032280/justin-trudeau-is-not-fidel-castro-son/
I don’t know. I’ve never checked. I’ve done lots of Web searches and got lots of hits on lots of different sites and half the time I don’t know who owns them or who contributes to them.
Do you see that your idiotic scenarios are just designed to keep your stupidity about the world around you terminal. I mentioned this Castro example relating to the sense of humour of the oligarchy just in passing. But you see things every year that should shake you out of your current blinkered state but it never does. For example you were given a story where two thin aluminium planes were held to have destroyed six buildings. Yes it was six buildings. Three of them were destroyed on the inside with the facade still standing. It could have been any number of other examples. None of them will cause you to so much as raise an eyebrow. Your stupidity is so well fixed in place.
So now we have people discussing seriously the mind of Biden. As if he has any kind of mind still functioning. People are confident that Trump will lose. Maybe so, he’s also too old to be President. But its going to be tough to make him lose under the circumstance of having no sane competitor. So the point is not Castro. The point is your immense stupidity, which you keep in place, by the techniques shown in your last post, cooking up crazy assumptions so you don’t have to face reality.
Classic Radio Stories,
One thing happened recently that I found a bit puzzeling. It is not directly related to global warming or the cornona virus crisis. What I found a bit surprising is that the Iranian government issued a report of its own investigation in to the shoot down of the Ukrainian Airliner full of Canadians and the report did not blame the US for this tradgedy.
The Iranian Government Report claims that the plane was shot down due to human error on the part of its military personnel. It blames the shoot down on poor operational communications with in its own air defence forces. This is obviously a lie. Yet, why would the Iranian government volunteer to take the blame for something that the US government was responsible for?
This result is a tragic miscarriage of justice. Nothing is settled until it is settled properly, says Jane Marple, or was it Franny Fischer?
This story may not be connected to global warming, or coronavirus. But it is connected to Biden and Trump. That means that it is connected to the US election campaign. There is a crime involving people at the highest levels of the US government waiting to be uncovered concerning the story of the Ukrainian airliner. But the truth of this mountain of crime will almost surely never be explored.
Compare that with the clearly accidental shot down of the Malaysian Airliner over the Ukraine a few years ago and how that mole hill was turned in to a mountian of aledged misconduct.
I look forward to your response.
Back on the more serious problems of energy deprivation and the “entropy made visible” (Kunstler) of new world settlement policies. Consider if the Americas and Australasia were populated by people who typically had living arrangements akin to many who live in Amsterdam or Paris ……. This would allow us to be manufacturing powerhouses, with maybe one half or one third of our current hydro-carbon consumption. With saturation water retention features and canals maybe it could go to a quarter or a fifth in terms of energy consumption, or if you must … CO2 output. These are serious problems that cannot be brought down to tribal feelings about solar versus molten salt nuclear.
Internationalist schemes to price carbon will be one more catastrophe and bankers racket, when much can be achieved simply by pumping up coal royalties for exports, and gasoline taxes at the pump. But the understanding of how counterproductive anything but the most carefully thought out road-building can be, has to come down to all levels of government.
Obviously one can be too extreme about it. But if you were to say to yourself …. “new surface roads ….. bad … tunnels good” then as simplistic as that sounds it might form a good way to make future decisions. Plus we need to put as much parking space up in the air. Make it very cheap for motorists to house their cars in the air, and hopefully they will learn to use these cars with great infrequency.
Get people to walk a little bit to get to their cars. I tend to be an extremist about these things, and leave it to others to find a more sensible middle ground.
I choose to answer this question, and the answer is: ‘No, I do not see that.’
You have been discussing the mind of Biden. Nobody else here has been discussing the mind of Biden.
I was talking to the other dummy. But you all seem so invariant on your bubble views of everything its probably not worth differentiating. No of course you don’t see that. You don’t understand anything thats going on around you. Yes others have been discussing Biden. As if he were a well man and a qualified Presidential candidate. They are not seeing any deep state gas lighting in his candidature at all. They are not seeing that they are being laughed at by the cryptocracy.
Classic Radio Stories, it’s not a useful theory if you can’t tell us who is doing it, why they’re doing it or indeed even what they’re doing. You seem to think everything that happened from the birth of Trudeaux through to 9/11 and coronavirus is all being organized by the same people but you can’t tell us who those people are, why they’re doing what they’re doing, or what their goal is. Trudeaux was apparently a prank! Who are the cryptocracy, and what is their shared political interest that unites Castro and Goldman Sachs and bin Laden across 50 years of history? Come on man, pull your theory together!
Whatever may be happening elsewhere, nobody here has discussed Biden as if here were a well man and a qualified Presidential candidate; only as if he is going to be a candidate in the Presidential election and may win it.
We don’t need mind-reading to know who is doing something and what they are achieving by doing it. We can establish that with data. You seem singularly committed to not telling me who is doing the thing or what the thing they are doing is. Some kind of timeline of events related to this deep state conspiracy, what events were caused and by whom, would surely be possible? For example who did the 9/11 thing, what did they achieve from it, how did they do it and keep it secret from so many people? From this we can begin to examine the why. But despite your well-developed theory you apparently don’t even know who did that, and what its connection with “placing Goldman Sachs people everywhere” really is. Come on Classic Radio Stories, surely you can do better than this?
I’ve deleted several comments I shouldn’t have let through. Even in the sandpit, please stay civil to each other. And CK/CRS, pick one handle and stick to it from now on.
Okay thanks for that. All I can say in my defence is that I was relentlessly provoked.
Now getting back on track: The humble swale is just a ditch but all at the exact same altitude. Its the key to everything. The key to good soil. The key to ending floods, droughts, out of control fires, hunger, species loss, the key to carbon internment, (here I am willing to approach things from other peoples perspective out of a hopeful goodwill) economic destitution, unemployment, and one of the main planks to coming out of what will be a decades long process of energy deprivation.
So no matter how oppressively stupid anyone has been in the past they will always find a hopeful devotee in me, if they can just summon the brainpower to understand what can be done once the power of the swale is unlocked to the nth degree.
“What I found a bit surprising is that the Iranian government issued a report of its own investigation in to the shoot down of the Ukrainian Airliner full of Canadians and the report did not blame the US for this tragedy.
The Iranian Government Report claims that the plane was shot down due to human error on the part of its military personnel. It blames the shoot down on poor operational communications with in its own air defence forces. This is obviously a lie. Yet, why would the Iranian government volunteer to take the blame for something that the US government was responsible for?”
Well I don’t talk about the US government as being responsible for this or that. These things are planned by the uber-parasites at ABOVE NATIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. But what must be understood about an international cryptocracy/kleptocracy is that it has its fingers into all areas, and so even where they find themselves overstretched, or dealing with rebelliousness or recalcitrance they still have a lot of influence.
So as a discerning fellow like yourself might have found out …. the planes responder was not functioning, and instead the vehicle was made to appear akin to a missile under a situation that could have been predicted to have been at hair-trigger high tension. Particularly from the operators point of view now that the Americans have destroyed any semblance of moral high ground or even-handed judgement. An investigation would have to track back at all the earlier airports that were involved in this planes itinerary.
Now secondly the cryptocracy had a bit of a joker up its sleeve. They had either the certainty of a forced error in their hands, or else they had the reasonable expectation that they could induce something to go wrong ……. So the terrorists had planted a man in some sort of unused pit filming where he had no business filming and no realistic alibi to be up at that time in the morning wandering around aimlessly with a camera.
So you and I know it was an outright attack from non-Iranians or a hopeful forced error. But if you see the sort of posts I was posting just before the blog-host rightfully wiped them? And you see the sort of mindlessly self-gyping mentality? You see it right Curt? So the Iranians are better off trying to procure a new reputation for honesty ….. a reputation that the BBC and radio free America used to have … then to try and educate a lot of goose-stepping troglodytes in the West who do not know what is going on around them.
And be fair Curt. That does seem to have worked right? Not many people have a knot in their stomach thinking that Iran needs to be bombed, even though they are not emphasising the forced error nature of the terrorist attack.
Its a kind of 5th dimensional and 4th generation warfare. The kleptocracy focuses its laser on all of us as individuals. Iranian civil servants not excluded. I criticise a lot. But should I marry again I’m in their sway the same as everyone else.
We have to bring everyone in from the cold. No more spy who came in from the cold. No more cold wars. No more looking glass wars. No more demonising the Iranians. No-one sent to the outer dark. Everyone welcome in the camp fire. Everyone welcome around the camp fire. Everyone.
What, even oppressively stupid lunatic extremist looney toon dummies with big fat moon faces? If I wanted them to be welcome around the camp fire, I think it would be a bad tactic to call them oppressively stupid or extremist looney toons or dummies or lunatics or big fat moonfaces. I think if I called people oppressively stupid or extremist looney toons or dummies or lunatics or big fat moonfaces (even if they were those things), they would not feel welcome around the camp fire.
So who are these people that you speak thereof? Are up forcing me to deal with with some sort of Israeli-reversalism here?
We know that the interlopers were terrorists from the start. The openly admit it. When are you claiming that the locals became terrorists? Can you name a date?
Oh I see. You are angry about my defensive abuse borrowing my into foreign territory and basically slamming all and sundry around me.
Okay fair cop. But find out about swales and then I can turn over a new leaf.
I wasn’t speaking of any people.
No, I’m entertained.
These were the top hits in my Web search for ‘swale’:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/swale
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swale_(landform)
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/swale
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/swale
Classic Radio Stories, I can tell this is the first time anyone has asked you to explain your theory, and it obviously infuriates you that it has so many flaws and that you can’t explain the basic elements of how it works. You thought everything was run by some secret cabal but discover on being asked to explain it that you don’t know anything and can’t tell anyone anything about who this cabal is, what they’re trying to achieve, why they do it, or how they’re connected to each other. Your Trudeaux story is the perfect example of this, since the evidence you provide obviously doesn’t support it and you can’t tell me how it was pulled off or who organized it. All you can say is that Castro is an oligarch who did it for a prank. In contrast the simple explanation – that Trudeaux is Trudeaux’s son, and he rose to power because his daddy was rich and powerful – is perfectly good enough and requires no fanciful readings of wikipedia. Pointing this out to you becomes “relentless provocation” because it shows your theory has no grounds.
I’ll take back that provocation if you can directly and clearly provide some detail, without resorting to telling me to go look up a book you can’t name, seeking information on a person you can’t name, who did a thing you can’t specify, on a date you won’t tell me, but you’re sure the information is definitely easy for me to find. Instead of doing that, just tell me what you know.
Actually John maybe you should delete that previous comment. I think Classic Radio Stories isn’t well. I originally thought he was just a conspiracy theorist and thought it would be fun to see how far I could take his stories, but I just read some of his most recent comments and I think he’s unwell. I don’t think it’s good to provoke someone who is obviously mentally unstable. So maybe it would be a good idea to delete my most recent comment, and maybe email Classic personally and encourage him to seek the medical care he needs.
There are no flaws to my act. You are a moron. But Mr J-D shows signs of being a human being and in that sort of scenario of deprivation thats the world I have to work with. Now this is interesting. Are you sir presuming to be a guide for a longstanding Australian intellectual?
Start running.
You sire are presuming to be a guide for an Australian intellectual of good standing?
Is that what you are trying to tell me you little weasel?
“Actually John maybe you should delete that previous comment. I think Classic Radio Stories isn’t well.”
I caught you you little zionist prick.
You loathsome little puke working out of a students lair in Tel Aviv. You have a fucking nerve to be trying to dictate to an honourable Australian thinker in good standing.
First ‘Rothschild’, now this.
So you did it a third time you dopey Palooka. You won’t say what the problem is. I think YOU are the problem.
Clarify or retract you brain dead loony toon.
I didn’t say there was a problem.
I don’t know what it is that you want me to retract.
Slippery as a bran turd, which would be interesting if you weren’t such a low IQ twat. Now you’ve made three of these drive-by’s so spit it out and tell me what you are talking about, you loathsome little worm.
Well, make up your mind!