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February 5th, 2012

As usual with my Fin columns, Catallaxy was straight out of the gate with a response yesterday. It was perhaps unsurprising as my piece mentioned climate change, and the Catallaxy crew includes a self-described “prominent scientist”, Alan Moran, a signatory of public letters attacking mainstream climate science.

In Catallaxy terms, however, Moran seems to be the designated hitter for those occasions when I write about the US political scene. Last time out, he was criticising me for “anointing” Romney as the likely winner – he preferred to discuss the bold tax plans of Herman Cain and Rick Perry. Now, he’s upset that I’ve “anointed” Jon Huntsman as the only Republican contender who seemed likely to beat Obama, ruled out because of his heretical (that is, pro-science) views on climate change.

Anyway, the column is over the fold.

Undermined by idiocracy

The issue of climate change is unlikely to play much of a role in the US Presidential election campaign, which will begin in June with the nomination of a Republican candidate to face Barack Obama. It may however, have already decided the outcome, by ensuring that any possible Republican nominee is unelectable.

The Republican position on climate change is often described as ‘sceptical’. In fact, it is a rigid orthodoxy, from which no deviation is tolerated. According to the orthodoxy, mainstream climate science is not just completely wrong, it is a conspiracy in which money-grubbing scientists produce deliberate lies on order to promote higher taxes and, ultimately, a dictatorial world government.

The Wall Street Journal, the most authoritative source of news and opinion for US conservatives, endorses this position in its most extreme conspiracist form. It recently published a letter from 16 self-described scientists attacking climate science and accusing scientists of lying for money. The letter compared mainstream climate scientists to Trofim Lysenko, the pseudo-scientist who controlled Soviet biology under Josef Stalin. It went on to compare the alleged mistreatment of sceptics to Stalin’s use of the gulag to silence dissent.

By contrast, the Journal refused to publish a letter signed by co-signed by 255 scientists and members of the US Academy of Sciences who support mainstream science. On the WSJ view of the world, not only climate scientists but the vast majority of scientists of all kinds, including just about every major scientific organization in the world, are part of the conspiracy.

Unless it turns out that the conspiracy theory is true, this position seems likely to create problems for the WSJ in the future. More immediately, however, it has created big problems for the Republican Party.

The scientific body of evidence supporting the proposition that the global climate is warming, and that human activity is largely responsible, has been building up for several decades. During that time, most long-serving Republican politicians, notably including potential Presidential candidates have, at one time or another, endorsed the mainstream view. They now face the choice of recantation or political death.

The most prominent casualty of the demand for orthodoxy was former Utah governor Jon Huntsman. A hardline conservative on nearly all issues, Huntsman insisted on restating his acceptance of the reality of climate change. This was an insult the Republican base could not bear, compounded by his acceptance of an appointment as Ambassador to China from President Obama. Despite spending millions of his own money, Huntsman’s campaign went nowhere. After a poor third place in New Hampshire, he withdrew.

The support that Huntsman might have garnered went instead to Mitt Romney, a former moderate and supporter of science, who has shown himself willing to say whatever it takes to appease the primary voters. The last serious alternative remaining is another flip-flopper, Newt Gingrich. Although Gingrich’s ferocious style appeals to the base, he has an embarrassing history on climate change, having appeared with leading Democrat Nancy Pelosi in a joint appeal for action.

Unlike Huntsman, both Romney and Gingrich come to the campaign with large amounts of embarrassing baggage. Gingrich’s various indiscretions have been known for some time, but the campaign brought out the embarrassing fact that he worked as an advocate for the mortgage company Fannie Mae, which he and other Republicans subsequently demonized as the prime cause of the global financial crisis.

More surprising have been the revelations about Mitt Romney, whose public image was that of a successful, but dull businessman, specialising in corporate turnarounds. Over the last few weeks, that image has been replaced with one of a ruthless corporate raider and aggressive tax avoider, stashing millions in Swiss banks and the Cayman Islands. Even more startling has been a recent attack ad from the Gingrich camp, documenting Romney’s entanglement in a massive Medicare fraud undertaken by a company he took over in the 1980s.

Barring some improbable scenarios involving deadlocked conventions, or the remote prospects of Ron Paul and Rick Santorum, one or other of these deeply flawed candidates seems certain to be the Republican nominee. Given his easy win in Florida, Romney is a clear favorite, but that may change when the last Gingrich attack sinks in.

Either way, Barack Obama is now a clear favorite for re-election, although he usually loses in polls where voters are asked to choose between him a ‘generic Republican’. Voters presumably imbue this hypothetical character with attributes such as sanity and at least some minimal level of honesty. But in today’s Republican Party, such attributes mean automatic disqualificatio

fn1. Given the awfulness of Catallaxy’s comments sections, I won’t cross-link. If, like me, you’re sick of Google, DuckDuckGo is your friend.
fn2. Another prominent Australian scientist on the list is Don Aitkin, formerly VC of the University of Canberra. Some might suppose he was playing the ambiguity associated with the fact that he is a retired political “scientist”. In fact, however, in a series of emails we exchanged a few years back, he assured me that he had fully mastered climate science in his spare time.

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  1. Fran Barlow
    February 5th, 2012 at 12:14 | #1

    lies on {in} order

  2. Uncle Milton
    February 5th, 2012 at 12:42 | #2

    I see that Don Aitkin is a signatory. Of course he was a quite a distinguished political scientist before he went into a academic administration, but how that qualifies him to opine authoritatively on the physics and chemistry of climate science is a mystery.

  3. BilB
    February 5th, 2012 at 14:11 | #3

    I don’t bother arguing Climate Change any more other than to point out that here is only one Climate Reality. The most ardent opinion of a human being will have no bearing on that reality at all. It is up to the individual to determine what is right and what is wrong, in their own defense. several weeks ago I was in Concord, North Carolina, visiting a business there. I arrived mid winter NC in stubbies and a short sleeve shirt, because that is what the weather called for. The business owner made the comment “so your enjoying our Spring are you”?.

    Widely reported was the decision of a couple on the sinking Costa Concordia who decided for themselves despite the repeated claims from the crew that everything was “under control” to abandon the ship and swim for shore. I think that we are near that stage with the broader public and climate skepticism.

    The WSJ will simply declare that (and here is the lie) they simply report the news, they do not make it. Mind you it would be interesting if there was hard evidence that Murdoch’s WSJ was tapping into peoples phone calls, as this would carry insider trading implications, and would hopefully trigger an automatic “shut down”. Vain hope. The reality is that ever more people will simply ignore those WSJ environmental fantasies. “You don’t believe everything that your read in the newspaper, do you”?

  4. BilB
    February 5th, 2012 at 14:14 | #4

    “there” there.

  5. conrad
    February 5th, 2012 at 15:10 | #5

    It is kind of amusing if you click on Science & PP site. One of the things the Catallaxy crew love to do is say how worthless academic signatures and petitions are for this, that, and the next thing, but if you click on the link, there is a list of sigantures (and there is also a very recent post by Samuel J calling someone else a hypocrite for not being consistent). Obviously consistency isn’t strongly valued in post-modern science except for when name calling.

  6. NickR
    February 5th, 2012 at 15:41 | #6

    I agree that there is the possibility that the Republican Party will pay a severe penalty for this sort of behaviour, and I certainly hope that this is the case.

    It seems as if the underlying schism between hard line Tea Party types and moderates capable of governing is getting larger and uglier. To satisfy the extreme right candidates need to deny (i) climate change, (ii) evolution, (iii) fiscal and monetary stimulus and also believe that deficit reduction and extreme tax cuts are possible at the same time.

    Candidates who can’t authentically claim to believe these things are regarded as borderline traitors, while those who can simply aren’t acceptable to the general electorate.

    Thus it seems that after a 100% tea diet, the Republican base will lack enthusiasm for a Romney campaign. This will likely translate into lower funding and turnout, which combined with a strengthening economy, should be enough to hand the presidency back to Obama.

  7. February 5th, 2012 at 15:42 | #7

    Long list of Aussies on the WSJ petition, most well known in the delusionist camp. Frank Milne has joined them – he is versatile with scientific expertise in both finance and climate science.

  8. rog
    February 5th, 2012 at 15:54 | #8

    Nordhaus has refuted the article made in the WSJ saying that he was misrepresented.

    John Howard also calls for consistency saying that it is pointless reviewing past actions (no regrets on Iraq). He referenced McNamara and his changed view on Vietnam saying that McNamara was indulgent. So I don’t ever see the conservatives ever accepting the science.

  9. Sam
    February 5th, 2012 at 16:38 | #9

    Why are you sick of Google?

  10. Fran Barlow
    February 5th, 2012 at 16:43 | #10

    It is rather interesting that for all the sound and fury on the right over climate science, it seems to be damaging them a good deal more than the non-conservatives. If the result is a perpetually fractured US right based on crank magnetism, then the liberals may well be the unintended beneficiaries of a continuing push against climate policy.

  11. BilB
    February 5th, 2012 at 17:09 | #11

    Anyone with this much experience should be making a measurable impact in their field

    Milne was born in Bendigo, Victoria, Australia in 1946. He was educated at Bendigo High School, Monash University, B.Econ (Hons) 1968; M.Econ 1970; and received his PhD at the Australian National University in 1975. Milne’s research interests and contributions have included theoretical analysis of Financial Security Pricing; analysis of Financial Stability in Banking Systems; Financial Risk Management Systems; and the analysis of Corporate and Non-Profit governance structures.

    But considering the the extent and impact of the GFC, Milnes influence amounted to as much as his signature on any Climate Skeptic list of delusionals will have on Climate Change.

    And I find that really sad that anyone would sign off their life’s work in that way.

  12. Peter
    February 5th, 2012 at 17:18 | #12

    “The Republican position on climate change is often described as ‘sceptical’. In fact, it is a rigid orthodoxy, from which no deviation is tolerated.”

    Well put.

  13. February 5th, 2012 at 19:04 | #13

    Pr Q said:

    Either way, Barack Obama is now a clear favorite for re-election, although he usually loses in polls where voters are asked to choose between him a ‘generic Republican’. Voters presumably imbue this hypothetical character with attributes such as sanity and at least some minimal level of honesty. But in today’s Republican Party, such attributes mean automatic disqualification.

    I predicted Obama would get two terms back in 2008 and have not wavered in this prediction, despite Obama’s excessive timidity.

    I am dubious of “generic REP” vote which has consistently bested Obama, based on Real Clear polling data. I wonder if this is an Obama/REP idiocracy-specific pattern or just represents some idealised American voting preference for a Centre-Right politician or just grass-is-greener fickleness from picky voters.

    I also wonder about Left-liberals extreme disenchantment with Obama’s political strategy. His rope-a-dope strategy has pretty much exhausted his hysterical opponents. The guy is easily the best thing the DEMs have going for them. As Henry Canaday, one of Steve Sailer’s commenters, observed:

    Obama consistently polls 20 to 30 points ahead of: 1) his party; 2) his policies; and 3) the normal level of a president with a wretched economy. This would seem to indicate that, whatever the Democrats’ problem is, it does not involve Obama personally…If Obama had enjoyed Clinton’s advantage of being the first president in 64 years to be inaugurated without either a major foreign enemy or a severe economic crisis, he would probably enjoy an approval rate in the 90s.

    I also predict that he will introduce some head line global deal on carbon emission legislation sometime in his second term. He better as I can’t see Joe Biden receiving automatic coronation to continue his legacy.

  14. Uncle Milton
    February 5th, 2012 at 19:26 | #14

    @hc

    There a few of Milne’s colleagues from back in the day in the ANU economics department who I am surprised are not there.

  15. February 5th, 2012 at 19:29 | #15

    Pr Q aaid:

    The support that Huntsman might have garnered went instead to Mitt Romney, a former moderate and supporter of science, who has shown himself willing to say whatever it takes to appease the primary voters….Either way, Barack Obama is now a clear favorite for re-election, although he usually loses in polls where voters are asked to choose between him a ‘generic Republican’. Voters presumably imbue this hypothetical character with attributes such as sanity and at least some minimal level of honesty.

    If the popular preference for a “generic Republican” (with sane view on climate change policy) is real, rather than just notional, then we would expect that Romney, in the aftermath of locking in the REP nomination, will pivot on climate change policy and betray his idiocratic base during the campaign. Romney is nothing if not sane and “generic Republican”.

    Unfortunately that particular piece of Machiavellianism would cost him a reputation for “minimal level of honesty” among ordinary voters, so no way out of this dilemma is possible.

    Basically the REP base is heading for a major reality test of its world view, at which time the whole ideological structure will come crashing down on its head. Apparently the failures in WMDs, GFC and AGW isnt enough. My guess is that a humiliating back down with the PRC over some contested part of the Asia littoral will cause the Right to melt down.

    A pity really, as one needs old-traditioned Green Eye Shade REPs to keep an eye on the books and put the brakes on liberal political fetishes.

  16. BilB
    February 5th, 2012 at 20:59 | #16

    The idiocy in the US is not confined to republicans. While there recently I watched a fair bit of news including the presidents state of the nation speech, and the repub reply. However when people on the street are interviewed they say “the governemnt has got to stop spending”. No one says that the government has got to earn more, because in their minds that means higher taxes. Wrong.

    What it really means is that people need to buy American as much as possible.

    So here is a question to the good Professor. What percentage change in consumer spending will it take for the US government to balance its books?

    For a very long time buying Chinese was not such a big deal as the cost of that was just 10% of the retail price with the 90% balance circulating in the US economy. But slowly jopbs began to be lost. Then the second generation of Chinese manufacturers, largely educated in the west are more savvy on pricing, and are also able to sell directly so a much higher percentage transports to China. Further more a lot of US business people have become Hong Kong residents so that they pay just 5% tax. This means that they must live 6 months in Hong Kong, but that is a small price to pay to build a billion dollar empire.

    The US has now reached “break point Charlie”. USians have got to start buying to employ themselves or the US will slide uncontrollably into tumultuous economic oblivion. The housing blowout saw the end of the major “buy American” programme and caused a massive flip in governemnt income fortunes, fortunes which GW Bush successfully squandered on ego driven fruitless wars.

    Further compounding the problem is that in order to make a product “made in America”, I was told by another CEO marketing European products, the product has to have a content in the high 90%ile, and that is very hard toi achieve with foreign content at so many levels filtering into the supply chain.

    I have proposed an American Content certification whiuch would be in the form of a US outline with red white and lue stipes fill the outline to the percentage of the certificate. This way people would be able to judge at the point of sale whether the increase in price was going to be of “benefit to the nation”.

    Regardless of how it is achieved, Americans have to return to being proud of their own production and buy appropriately. This was very mnuch what Barak Obama’s state of the nation speech was all about.

    So what is the magic figure to turn the US economy around? What percentage of those 25% annually compounded corporate profits have to be forgone? What percentage of those multi million dollar performance bonusses have to become a dream of the past? I suspect that the actual figure is not that high, but it would be interesting to know.

  17. Sam
    February 5th, 2012 at 21:31 | #17

    @BilB
    Surely trade imbalances right themselves in the long term via the floating exchange rate mechanism?

  18. BilB
    February 5th, 2012 at 22:15 | #18

    Haven’t you been watching, Sam.

    That is the US’s big gripe with China. China manipulates its exchange rate by, amoung other things, buying US bonds heavily. The other thing that was meant to happen as China became more affluent was that the rapidly growing middle class would buy US products heavily. Not so. China’s one child policy has concentrated the responsibility of looking after, not just parents but grandparents also, onto just a few shoulders. So people save their money rather than spend it.

    Who would have thought that all of those excessively overpayed executives could get the fundamentals so wrong. Well they will just have to get another performance bonus to encourage them to think about the problem more deeply.

    It is not just Wall Street that knows how to side step rational economics in the persuit of greed. The Chinese have their own agenda, and it does not involve the better welfare of Americans.

  19. Sam
    February 5th, 2012 at 22:31 | #19

    @BilB
    You’re right about China, but the US can still depreciate against other countries. And even China will eventually have its appetite for foreign currency sated. Sooner or later, it will want to use its purchasing power to buy things, not money.

  20. BilB
    February 5th, 2012 at 22:57 | #20

    And ….exactly…..when will that be, Sam?

    The US people need to know!
    The US government needs to know!

  21. Troy Prideaux
    February 5th, 2012 at 23:33 | #21

    Sam,
    The US has a high dollar policy and has had one for quite a while. A falling currency does provide virtues like export competitiveness and more competitiveness for local manufacture & produce, but it also can put inflationary pressures on the economy through imports if an economy has a high reliance on imports as can be seen in the UK now. For the US, a lower dollar would place significant budgetary pressures on defense spending at the like. Ditto for oil.
    Lower currency values can also have other undesirable consequences like making prime assets cheaper for foreign takeovers as has happened here. Having prime assets taken by hedge funds only interested in bleeding ever possible cent out of it at all costs isn’t obviously an ideal outcome. There are often regulations to protect such activities to some extent, but only to some extent.

  22. Troy Prideaux
    February 5th, 2012 at 23:41 | #22

    BilB,
    On the bright side for the US, there are still sucker nations our there willing to sign up to Free Trade Agreements with the US whom are willing to sacrifice any possible advantage they may have previously had in trade with US to provide a total one-way-street.
    Actually, there’s only one Nation that comes to mind, but that’s a start [sigh]

  23. Sam
    February 5th, 2012 at 23:54 | #23

    @BilB
    Hey look, I agree that because of the current liquidity trap, China’s mercantilist exchange policy is hurting the US at the moment. I agree that while US households repair their balance sheets post GFC, there is a shortfall in aggregate demand, and this is being worsened by China’s currency manipulations. I just don’t think that the US’s trade gap represents a long term problem which should be fixed by protectionism.

  24. BilB
    February 6th, 2012 at 01:22 | #24

    No one mentioned protectionism, Sam.

    The only hope for the US is to get people working and paying taxes. That requires people buying US goods and services, and the people best placed to do that are Americans themselves. But even when people get jobs, they are not well off. Driving around Charlotte in NC there were hundreds of houses that could not have been more than 2 rooms. I am guessing about 6 metres square. I’ve lived in a house that was 8 metres square and that was a tight squeeze, these houses were much smaller, timber construction, and plenty of them. We do not know just how lucky we are here in Australia.

    The US public debt is now 102% of GDP ie they need a lot of taxes being paid, and in a hurry.

    Here is a current Bloomberg quote on the issue

    “The trade deficit with China remains a thorny issue as the U.S. presses the Asian country to allow the yuan to rise against the dollar. President Barack Obama, in his State of the Union address, said last month he is creating a trade enforcement group that would use investigators and other federal resources to combat unfair trade practices by nations including China”

    The US is not in the “oh, market forces will balance out the disparities” territory any more.
    Think about the magnitude of the task
    Public debt contiuing to rise
    Population continuing to rise
    Energy prices continuing to rise
    Trade balance still in deficit
    Hundreds of thousands of troops to be demobilised

    This is one sick economy that needs a major shot in the arm.

  25. Ikonoclast
    February 6th, 2012 at 05:08 | #25

    The US is in terminal decline. Given the irrational, anti-science stupidity of the Republicans, the opportunism of the Democrats and the economic illiteracy of the entire population, “experts” and everyday joes alike, their chances of working their way out of this one are about nil.

    Once China has cornered the world market in manufacturing, China will make stuff and the rest of the world won’t. It’s heading that way now. I am sure this is the master plan of China. China is willing to fight a 500 year war if necessary. And the greatest strategists win wars without firing a shot. China’s plan is to defeat the US without firing a shot (at least since the Korean War). So far the plan is going well.

    The Chinese leadership must be laughing at how stupid the modern US leadership is. They can induce this US leadership to destroy the US from the inside.

  26. Troy Prideaux
    February 6th, 2012 at 07:34 | #26

    Ikonoclast, if you could hit real nails on the head like that, you’d make one heck of a carpenter! The engineering innovation you can see happening in China at the moment is quite phenomenal. You can see they’re quickly catching up with the west (and surpassing) in terms of R&D in lots of areas too. I can only imagine, given the Chinese intake in to our (say) medical courses here in Melbourne, that they well and truly have the capability to compete with the west in many of the fields the west is supposed to be export competitive in this century. They do take climate change seriously. Thank goodness we’re their quarry.

  27. alfred venison
    February 6th, 2012 at 08:14 | #27

    dear Ikonoclast
    i thought part an important part of china’s present prosperity was predicated on amerika being able to continue to buy stuff manufactured in china using the money amerika borrows from china. so, if amerika wasn’t able to afford to buy chinese stuff where would that leave china? if chinese leaders aren’t laughing about the immanent decline of amerika, then maybe they’re fretting whether internal markets are developing fast enough to replace export markets or if there will be a disjunction between the two & social upheaval in china.
    yours sincerely
    alfred venison

  28. Ken Fabian
    February 6th, 2012 at 08:26 | #28

    I don’t know so much about the US but here we have Labor who want to appear to take the climate problem seriously but don’t have the backbone to fight for policy that treats it seriously. Short term economics and populist politics, aided and abetted by an amoral media strongly influenced by their commercial arrangements with corporate purchasers of commodified public opinion will ensure that the minimum necessary remains in the realms of unthinkable. Risk averse and compromised Labor here and Democrats in the US don’t have the strength of commitment to do more than aim for the appearance of taking it seriously.

  29. Troy Prideaux
    February 6th, 2012 at 08:41 | #29

    Alfred,
    The Chinese are quite satisfied with growth rates as they stand, but you do have a reasonable point, although they are distancing themselves from the US in many respects. They’re actively seeking new trade agreements and currency settlements in non USD. In fact, they’re probably leading that charge.
    Let’s not overstate the US dept concern either. Their dept to GDP ratio is by no means exceptional to western standards and don’t underestimate their prudence when it comes to self interest. They screwed us over.

  30. Sam
    February 6th, 2012 at 09:05 | #30

    @BilB
    Your proposal was mildly protectionist. You want to encourage Americans to buy American, through your certification scheme.

    As I said before, I agree the US needs to do something about aggregate demand shortfall now, during the liquidity trap. I disagree that it needs to increase it’s “structural aggregate demand” in the long term. It needs a shot in the arm, but not a permanent drug regimen.

  31. Ian Milliss
    February 6th, 2012 at 09:30 | #31

    The campaign seems to be beyond satire and impossible to poe but one thing does continue to amuse me, the use of “moderate” as an absolutely damning description of an opponent. Says it all really.

  32. Fran Barlow
    February 6th, 2012 at 09:59 | #32

    @Ian Milliss

    I was listening to someone with a southern drawl in South Carolina saying that Romney was ‘a bit too moderate’ for him. I wondered if this meant Romney was verging on being extremely moderate, whereas the complainer was moderately extreme.

    Personally, I don’t like ‘moderates’ either, because historically, this has always meant right-of-centre. That said, the whole moderate/extremist dichotomy is probably as close as one can get to an apparently legitimate petitio principii characterisation.

  33. Ian Milliss
    February 6th, 2012 at 10:12 | #33

    @Fran Barlow
    Indeed, in the past in that US context I always understood moderate to mean something like “right wing extremist”. It is fascinating how arcane the rhetoric of US politics has become, more a sort of weird jibberish initiate language used to signal affiliations rather than to communicate. I know that’s not unusual but it seems to be reaching an extreme of incomprehensibility in this case.

  34. Ian Milliss
    February 6th, 2012 at 10:16 | #34

    I should add that they now seem to be using moderate in the sense we would use it ie not extreme, but they mean that as a condemnation – not, of course, that they would regard themselves as extreme, rather their position is “common sense” etc etc, Words begin to lose all meaning here.

  35. Ikonoclast
    February 6th, 2012 at 13:08 | #35

    @alfred venison

    For well over a decade, maybe two, China has been sending cadres of students and researchers out all over the world to learn everything they can about the rest of the world and all its sciences, humanities, disciplines etc. China has also been buying, accruing and inveigling hard power, soft power and influnce in every country that it can. China has a clear plan to be the number one (and only) superpower. This is standard behaviour for any great power.

    China also regards every person of Chinese descent as being of Chinese nationality wherever they live in the world, regardless of actual nationality and the number of generations separating them from residence in China. China will enforce this view if and when it can. China will attempt dominate the world. In this it will eventually fail as all powers have always failed to establish world hegemony.

    The elephant in the room is limits to growth which will hit the Chinese empire as hard as it hits the rest of the world. However, due to the “shape of things to come”, the peasant powers (those with a large peasant base, large basic manpower and effective central government), like China, India and Indonesia for example, will dominate the world. Powers which depend on middle class economies will collapse or have to re-invent themselves. It is always possible that Russia and the USA could evnetually partially re-establish themselves by becoming “Peasant Powers”. They are certainly heading that way. MENA will collapse and fracture into a series of failed states. Pakistan is also destined for this result. All this is IMO.

  36. Troy Prideaux
    February 6th, 2012 at 14:31 | #36

    @Ikonoclast
    I agree you can only grow to be a superpower by manufacturing your way there, but I think it’s important to appreciate that you can be a successful manufacturing nation without reliance on peasantry as demonstrated by South Korea, Germany and even the US.
    I’ll hedge your prediction by sharpening up my chopsticks skills, but I’ll hold off on the Mandarin :P

  37. PeakVT
    February 6th, 2012 at 14:57 | #37

    The most prominent casualty of the demand for orthodoxy was former Utah governor Jon Huntsman.

    That’s a stretch. Huntsman was done in by working for Obama, and by being the same as Romney (rich Mormon ex-governor) but with less name recognition and not much more charisma. Even if he had been orthodox on climate nobody would have cared about him, just like they didn’t care about Tim Pawlenty, who was/is orthodox, but utterly boring otherwise.

  38. Ernestine Gross
    February 6th, 2012 at 17:28 | #38

    A minor point: I couldn’t find any signatures on the December 2007(!) open letter to the UN General regarding ‘Climate Change’.

    What happened to the distinction between ‘climate change’ and anthropogenic global warming?

    What happened to the distinction between ‘natural science’ and ‘social science’?

    Each and every one of my natural science friends I have asked agree that reducing greenhouse gas externalities will not result in ‘no climate change’ but the same people also agree that reducing CO2 emissions will result in reducing anthropogenic global warming and this is a good thing.

    The organiser(s) of the letter have apparently decided Christopher Monckton, Lord, doesn’t fit either the natural or the social science category. This goes to show one can discover a morsel of valuable information almost in every text.

  39. Tom
    February 6th, 2012 at 18:23 | #39

    @Troy Prideaux

    Not really, in the past the US certainly did have a sizable manufacturing sector but the main source that drove US rich is the foreign loan outs in Ronald Reagan era. Those foreign loans and aids to third world countries have completely destoryed all the farming or agricultural sectors of those countries and to the extent only the US business have rights to manufacturings in those countries because of copyright and locals are not allowed to produce their own good in their own country; this forced them to purchase US goods at any given price and still they are forced to repay the US debts (defaults was not allowed until recently when strong government stood against US like Argentina as such and the world intervention in Brazil). All China is doing now is just copying what the US is doing but in my opinion, China is still much less agressive if compared to the US. Like the saying I guess “you point a finger at someone, there will be 3 pointing back at you”.

    P.S. I don’t support these types of economic invasions as they are extremely disgusting actions.

  40. Troy Prideaux
    February 7th, 2012 at 07:30 | #40

    Tom, the US still has a vast manufacturing base – only recently overtaken by China in terms of manufacturing production and output in USD. Both far exceed the rest significantly. Remember the US produces lots of big ticket items like advanced aerospace kit and heavy plant equipment.

  41. Dan
  42. Tom
    February 7th, 2012 at 10:27 | #42

    @Troy Prideaux

    I do agree with what you are saying but that’s not my point, my point is that the US now have far less third world countries to exploit in compared to the past. Quite a few of the third world countries that were under economic tyranny of the US have now defaulted their loan and started local manufacturing which werent even allowed when they were under the US loans.

  43. Peter T
    February 7th, 2012 at 17:33 | #43

    It’s a ghoulish kind of fun watching the Republican primaries – sort of like a ringside seat at the Colosseum.

    On China, Ikonoklast and BiiB have, I think , valid points (minus Ikonoklast’s predictions of Chinese domination – China has huge assets, but huge problems). A country that has a solid lead in manufacturing in major sectors has an advantage that exchange rates do not counter except over very long terms. Their customers are locked in. Because manufacturing is a matter of clusters and skills which take decades to build up (Paul Krugman made his name on this commonplace observation). As an example, if you want many kinds of heavy construction machinery, then Caterpillar or Kohmatsu are the only games in town. And once you have a fleet of Caterpillars, you are in for two decades or so of spares, and you will mix your fleet only reluctantly – you have invested in much more than the machine itself – in mechanic expertise, and spares inventory, and workshop partners, and compatible auxiliary equipment. It took Kohmatsu a huge amount of (state-supported) loss-leading effort over many years to win market share from Caterpillar.

    There are other sectors like this – the British have a similar lock on some kinds of insurance, and for some kinds of high-tech medical equipment there are two or three US suppliers. The Chinese broke into the very large x-ray market a few years back, on the basis of major state support. They took a large chunk from three other firms (two US, one European). There are now three – one Chinese and two other.

    Tariffs were the traditional way round this problem – a way, among other things to balance trade. But they seem to have been written out, so I guess we have to put up with the roller-coaster until the economics profession discovers some more about how the real world works.

  44. Fran Barlow
    February 11th, 2012 at 08:51 | #44

    More in the genre of the stupid: it burns

    Santorum goes after Romney on energy, climate change

    The article speaks for itself, but the last few comments underline whom people like Santorum and Romney are pitching at.

    One of them, in addition to the usual stupidity adds a novel one:

    let’s not forget that science gave us the pesticides and chemicals that contaminated the planet in the first place and made environmentalism necessary.

    Hard to beat for stupidity. As offensive and misanthropic as stupidity almost always is, it’s hard not to admire novel concise multi-level stupidity for its form.

  45. Dan
    February 11th, 2012 at 09:14 | #45

    Hey, I regard that as a great intellectual leap for Republican thought(lessness): a concession that environmentalism is necessary, accompanied by – well, it sounds like a claim that science is bad, but is probably intended to be a claim that certain technological applications of science are bad. Who knew Earth First! and the GOP had so much intellectual overlap?

    Next stump speech will quote Ted Kaczynski extensively, I imagine.

  46. Freelander
    February 11th, 2012 at 10:16 | #46

    What the US really needs is a few more christianic terrorists to demographically balance the islamic terrorists (who seem to be somewhat over-represented, in their imaginations at least).

    Whatever happened to the ever-dependable ‘Red under the bed’ as the unifying threat?

    If American’s ever cease to remain petrified of the ‘clear and present’ dangers the rest of the world poses, they will quickly be at each others throats and the US will collapse in anarchy. When the happens the concern about nuclear arms getting into the wrong hands will be very real.

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