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  1. Well that explains the allied bombing campaign. They weren’t hurting the Germans. They were dropping tens of thousands of tonnes of steel on them to aid their war effort. They would have got away with it too, but they made one mistake. They agreed to go to war for Poland. They must have felt really stupid about that. They must have been like, “Oops! Our plan was to make Germany and the USSR fight. Why didn’t we just say screw you Poland and stay out of it? We are so stupid! So stupid!”

  2. Ronald,
    So you are trying to say that the leaders of US and UK really were trying to defeat Nazi Germany because they drew a red line around Poland and then they bombed German cities from the air for 5 years once that line was crossed??

    Wow what an effective plan! Our wartime leaders really deserve our admiration. The blood that their subordinates shed was really an appropriate sacrifice to the Gods.

  3. I am such at genius at the strategic, operational, and tactical levels that it immediately occurs to me that, if one’s goal is to kill people in the USSR, it makes more sense to drop bombs on the USSR itself rather than drop them on the enemy of the USSR. But I guess I can’t be blamed for being smarter than the entire Allied Command. I’m just that good.

  4. Yes you are clearly a genius in surface naval wellfare. Which reminds me. WW 2 ended just as the Spanish civil war was wrapping up. The Germans were also getting Iron ore from Spain though not as much as Sweden. But they were getting other crucial war materials from Spain and Portugal. I have mentioned before else where how easy it would have been for the UK and the USA to simply to outbid Germany for these raw materials and combiine that offer with threats of retaliation after the war if war materials were delivered to Germany. But perhaps more importantly the end of the civil war resulted in a large number of republican refugees fleeing Spain. How easy it would have been to round up 10 or 12 or these men, give them money and titles and begin to form a guerrilla army if Franco did not respond well.
    When one considers what could have been easily done and would have easily been known by people in charge because they have demonstrated this kind of knowledge and thinking in other circumstances how can one draw any other conclusion than the allied leaders were deliberately sabotaging the war against Nazi Gemany. The only question is to figure out why they did that.

  5. Offgrid update: Western Australian utility Horizon has disconnected a number of remote farms from its grid, replacing miles of vulnerable poles and wires by local solar generation, backed with batteries and rarely-used diesel generators.
    https://www.pv-magazine.com/2019/10/04/australias-horizon-to-replace-overhead-network-with-solar-and-batteries/

    The same logic applies to vast swathes of lightly populated rural Australia. Microgrids might finally do something about Australia’s unique combination of German electricity prices with America levels of unreliability.

  6. Curt, if you believe Sweden could have been invaded so quickly and easily by the Allies, why didn’t Germany see the need to occupy it in the first place? Why did they conclude Denmark and Norway would be enough?

    “The Germans were also getting Iron ore from Spain though not as much as Sweden.”

    German iron imports from Spain were negligible. German iron imports from France, though, were roughly the same as Sweden during the early 40s, and well in excess of Sweden in 1944. See table 8C:

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/03585522.1965.10414365

    That’s an informative document btw. Worth a read.

  7. “Curt, if you believe Sweden could have been invaded so quickly and easily by the Allies, why didn’t Germany see the need to occupy it in the first place? Why did they conclude Denmark and Norway would be enough?”

    There is a few things to consider here because under mainstream assumptions decision-making in World War II seems to be mysterious. I think most wars since 1913 have been carefully managed acts of genocide rather than traditional war. Thats one thing. The second thing is we have to consider that its at least possible that Hitler was a traitor acting as deep cover by throwing up this extremist anti-commie nationalist smokescreen. These two may be very speculative assumptions but the third assumption I think is proven is the “icebreaker” hypothesis. The idea that Stalin was using the Germans as an icebreaker and was gearing up for an aggressive takeover of Europe.

    If Hitler was the nationalist he appears to be it implies to me that he didn’t think the English would go through with their threats. After all it was always next to insane that the Germans and the British were ever fighting in the first place. But once he found himself fighting the French and the British his strategic necessity was simply to stop the gargantuan British Empire from being able to operate on the continent. He may have been an aggressor to Poland. But from Poland onwards they were desperately fighting for mere survival.

    “Why did they conclude Denmark and Norway would be enough?”

    If you look at the map you see that controlling Denmark and Norway is enough to keep the British off the continent. So when you are in that sort of a mad panic because these crazy British aren’t acting rationally, you don’t have resources to go beating up on third parties.

  8. “With solar panels, batteries, inverters and back-up diesel generators, the standalone power systems not only reduce grid infrastructure spending but reduce the chance of bushfires caused by lightning strikes and of accidents caused by farm machinery operating near overhead lines.”

    I like this stuff from the point of view of resilience. There could be war being waged in Australia and these remote farmers would still have electricity. I hope that this forms some sort of trend. Think of the rest of us under war-time conditions? A few bombs here and there and the grid is down. We are way too vulnerable.

  9. Sweden is probably a great defensive bastion if you think you are going to be invaded by Santa Clause. 🙂 – Ikonoclast.

  10. GB,
    I have read about the long discussions that the German leadership had about whether or not they needed to occupy Sweden or if Norway and Denmark would be enough. It was a really really long time ago so I do not remember the details any longer. But I could easily surmize that the reason they went with invading Norway instead was that it was easeir in that Noway was practically an undefended country. And if they had invaded Sweden the Swedes would have sabotaged their iron mines which would have then taken quite a while to bring back in to production.
    I seem to recall that the occupation of Denmark and Norway was meant more to impress the Swedes than the Brits. If they really thought that they could prevent an invasion of Sweden by the Uk it would show how really really stupid the people were who were at the top leadership level in Nazi Germany.
    It would not surprise me a bit if it were to come out that there were some secret communication from the leadeship of the UK to the leadeship of Sweden to sell the Germans all the iron ore that they want.
    Now one point about your comments seem to be quite true. It has been reported that Hitler did not really believe that France and the UK would go to war over Poland. But then everything that gets reported is suspect. But such an outlook on Hitler’s part seems to make sense.

  11. Sounds pretty right to me. So looking at the map, you’d keep Britain off the continent at that point by occupying both Norway and Denmark, and probably best to try and deal with Sweden diplomatically. All these countries would have felt menaced also by the Soviets. They had witnessed the earlier economic miracle of the Germans and had not witnessed their later extraordinary crimes. So they may not have felt the need to put up much of a fight.

  12. CK – “When one considers what could have been easily done and would have easily been known by people in charge because they have demonstrated this kind of knowledge and thinking in other circumstances how can one draw any other conclusion than the allied leaders were deliberately sabotaging the war against Nazi Gemany. The only question is to figure out why they did that.”

    Why no mention of Vatican goals and plans to end the festering sore of the Great Schism by a Roman Catholic managed conquest of Russia to the glory of the one true faith? Why no mention of Vatican diplomatic networks? Of concordats with Rome? The numerous highly placed clandestine SMOM business, government, and military officials buried deep within the power structures of the major belligerents except Russia? The nasty fates suffered by many of the Orthodox persuasion in Eastern Europe at the hands of local roman catholics under nazi occupation or alignment gives a taste of what was planned for Russia. Before the Putin turn-around the rapidity, scope, and determination of the Vatican invasion of Russia during the Yeltsin years clearly shows again how strongly motivated Rome is to achieve subjugation of Russia and bring it into the fold. Here B. A. Santamaria’s persuasive support of the Vietnam war arose from his stated view that it was but a stepping stone on the way to Rome’s conversion of China then Russia and that Australia would have the glorious role of being in the service of that conquest. Santa didn’t live to see an Australian concordat with Rome, but in the last twelve years such a goal has moved markedly closer…

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