Sandpit

A new sandpit for long side discussions, conspiracy theories, idees fixes and so on.

To be clear, the sandpit is for regular commenters to pursue points that distract from regular discussion, including conspiracy-theoretic takes on the issues at hand. It’s not meant as a forum for visiting conspiracy theorists, or trolls posing as such.

69 thoughts on “Sandpit

  1. Try to remember says a big all Caps grrr. Try to remember Try To Remember, JQ is a human and an economist. Better than most, aiming to bolster intelligence around those two facts.

    I too would like it if JQ was omniscient and a polymath and a powerful celebrity able to command the total control of the news and media cycle.

    But he is just JQ. The guy you state is “our most prestigious intellectual”.

    And you said “Don’t abandon us”. Whoever us is. Have you seen how long he has not abandoned blogging. His convesation piece is on ABCNews page today as in… “have-we-just-stumbled-on-the-biggest-productivity-increase-of-the-century”. UN-GRRRR… 

    Try to remember Try To Remember, expectations of god like powers will always lead to disappointment 

    Try trying to use “our most prestigious intellectual”‘s information to benefit. Not tear down because IN YOUR MIND he has ” abandon[ed] us.” 

    And this borders on borderline:
    “And don’t you be forcing me to start tearing your act down.” Your mind is the only force forcing you – simple fix – change attitude and expectation.

    JQ is writing constantly, has produced Ein2L and tons more. It is a seam of smarts YOU may use. You are ‘act’ing out like a naughty child. And then praising. Cog diss in all caps. Relax.

    Try to remember Try To Remember, perspective will placate. Then your smarts will add not just be sandstorm-ee.

    Thanks.

  2. If it not to much to ask I would like the conspiracy that I outlined on an ancient San pit to be updated to this more current Sandpit. The old sandpit is stale. I also have an extra coment or two that I will add to the end of my previous comments.

    I was watching the Youtube video several days ago about why New Zealand did not become part of Australia. I learned from watching that video that the Australian Constitution is by design a hybrid between the British treaditions and the US Constitution.
    Now in and of itself that is really not very important. But it accidently provides a very important clue. It is a clue that the UK, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are actually still ONE UNIFIED MILITARY POLITICAL SYSTEM. Well there really is not much new in stating that. But it is a refinement over previous understandings of international power. It also provides a refinement of the proper understanding of world history.
    Up until now all attempts to identify the point at which the society of the United States really lost its way pointed back to the year 1913. Ok previous to 1913 it was obvious that the American Dream was not intended to be for Native Americans or Blacks. That exclusion excluded almost 15% of the population at that time. OK the matter of women as oppssed to men is an intertwined issue. Also the Irish and latter southern and eastern Europeans were oppressed for a while. In fact as a class system American society continues to exploit large parts of the population. But keep in mind there is a difference between exploitation and oppression.
    Up until 1913 it appeared that the US system worked for 85% of the popultion. OK to those who lack perception it still appears that the US system works for 85% of the population. But those with decernment often trace the root of the rot back to around 1913 with the founding of the Federal Reserve.
    But what I now understand to be true, and this has to my knowledge never been written about by any historian anywhere before, is that the entire US War of Independence was a scam. Yes there was a war with many battles and certianly some casualties on both sides. But is what has never been revealed before is that the British Crown was fighting this war with one hand tied behind thier back because The War of American Independence was actually a British Idea. They DELIBERATELY provoked the colonists to fight for their independence.
    It was initially all a trick to fool the Native American Tribes. The plan was no doubt hatched in the 1760s with implementation of the plan beginning shortly after that. You see the British had signed treaties with the Native Americans that prevented westward expansion of their colonies. They could not very well be seen as ingnoring those treaties as that would drive the Native Americans en masse in to the arms of the French.
    Therefore the British decided that the 13 colonies would control the lands to the west while Enland maintained actual if not fomal control over the 13 colonies by means of subtervuge carried out by agents and lobbists.
    Then in the early 1770s events occured in the United Kingdom that added an impetes for granting the colonies their independence. The abolitionist movement in the UK started growing some teeth. By legally granting the colonies their independence the rulers of the UK hoped to maintain the benifits of imperialism in north America without bearing the costs. The ruling elite of the UK would still have access to the raw materials that fueled their empire as private citizens not as Royal Governors.
    In the short run it might appear that the plan did not work the way it was supposed to. Why because I am sure that the British elites calculated that the 13 colonies could never unite under one strong central government. And if they did it would certianly not last for very long. The British were actually very perceptive in reaching that conclusion.
    Ok there were a few hitches along the way. The colonies created a reasonably workable federal framework. But the path that the British laid out and the path that history had actually took had clearly converged by 1913.
    What this means today is that the custodians of the “English Language” system are the General Officers of the 5 nations named above. This system is a single military industrial complex united by a common language and chain of command, The General Officers of the system are PEERS. The General Officers of appendiges to the system are not peers although a lot of effort might go into making them think that they are.
    The primary appendiges to the system are Israel, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and possibly Egypt. The institutional leadership of these countries is 100% completely controled by English Military Industrial Complex (MIC). Though it is possible that Egypt has the possiblity of escaping this control like Iran did.
    A second tier of nations, the NATO and EU nations, along with Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan and possibly other nations in South East Asia have great diffiiculty in exersicing any independence in their policies that would benifit them to the expense of the 5 nations.
    Here is what I consider to be the most important consideration of this understanding of world power.
    That is that all public disagreements between the governments of the 5 nations along with Israel, and Saudi Arabia are nothing more than exersices in public disinformation. There are no doubt disagreements over how to proceed among the peers of the 5 nations. But these disagreements are never revealed to the public.

    A “couple” of more recent examples of historical scams that were pulled by the United States and the United Kingdom were pretending that the United Kingdom could not have prevented the white only rule of South Africa, pretending that the US did not want to saddle Panama with the old Panama Canal, preteding that Israel accidently attacked the USS Liberty so that it would not have to be admitted that Israel deliberately attacked the USS Liberty so that it would not have to be admitted that Israel did so under orders from the Pentagon which was all a charade to make it appear that Israel was a Nation that had and has the potential to act independently of Pentagon orders, the suez crisis of the 1950s to give the US phoney anti imperialist credentials, the phoney Spanish coup attempt of 1982 I think it was to give King Juan Carlos phoney democratic credentials.

    The attempted Turkish coup of a few years ago was also a scam. But at this point I can not say who is scamming who. There is a 50% chance it might be the US and UK who are getting scamed.

  3. Rights and Feelings.

    The political right as a marvelous way of crystallizing its fallacies in succinct mottoes. One I heard on TV recently from a gun-toting, self-righteous, white man was this. “My rights don’t end where your feelings begin.” The implication is that any person with feelings opposing him is an over-sensitive wimp and that rights trump feelings (pun intended). There is an implied argument here that rights are strong and real whereas feelings are feeble and false.

    In fact, it is easy to show that feelings are more nearly primary than rights and that assertions of human rights are derivative, or proximally derivative, from human feelings. There really is no other place that any assertion of a human right, be it supportable or insupportable on any particular analysis, could come from. The assertion of rights arises from feelings; from feelings of pain, exclusion, need, unfairness on the hand or from feelings of greed, entitlement, mastery, cruelty and so on, on the other. The claim to rights, at least most proximally, comes from feelings (meaning until if and when we can determine how feelings in the human brain. Words and theories which support claims to rights are firstly post facto justifications of feelings and then secondly may become codifications of the feelings into language expressed rights (so-called).

    If I had no feelings I would claim no rights. If I was an inert fence-post I would claim no rights. The only “right”, or rather nature, of something inert is to continue in the current condition and state until acted on by an external force. Living humans respond complexly to external forces, to external stimuli. The reaction is mediated by, or accompanied by, in some fashion feelings which we tend to apprehend as being either physical or emotional. (A materialist understanding would logically understand even the emotional as processes of the physical at the micro level). Feelings are the origins of the claim for rights or else feelings are the phenomena we can most closely observe in ourselves when we feel unfairness and start to claim rights.

    Properly translated the motto “My rights don’t end where your feelings begin.” really says “My rights based on my feelings do not end where your rights based on your feelings begin.” We can use the greater-than symbol from mathematics and resolve the statement mathematically;

    “My rights based on my feelings are greater than your rights based on your feelings.”

    If we remove the common term from each side of the equation (ignoring whose feelings they are but treating all “mere” feelings as a removable term we get:

    “My rights are greater than your rights.”

    It’s a plain assertion by a person that they have and should have more rights than some other person.

    It’s also clear in Venn diagram terms where one set set occludes or eclipses the other set rather than overlapping in a common area where further operations (like negotiation and comprise) need to operate to permit an overlap where at least some conditions intrinsic or proper to each set to continue to exist.

    We need to see what rightists are really saying. They are saying:

    “My rights are greater than your rights.”
    “My rights blot out your rights.”

  4. I ought not have lost my temper at the Professor. Its the Premier of Victoria that I am angry at really. He ought to be sent to prison in my view. Also nobody is being treated with vitamin D amongst other excellent remedies. So the emergency is overblown, though the virus is lethal to many people. Its overblown but we cannot tell by how much until people start being proper anti-viral treatments. Dan Andrews is killing people through negligence, even as he terrorises people with his goon squads.

    Forget this nerd act he has going. He adopts a posture that makes him look vulnerable even as he sends goons in to abuse pregnant women. He must be clamped down on as hard as the virus, or the fascism will spill across the borders.

  5. I ought not have lost my temper at the Professor. Its the Premier of Victoria that I am angry at really. He ought to be sent to prison in my view. Also nobody is being treated with vitamin D amongst other excellent remedies. So the emergency is overblown, though the virus is lethal to many people. Its overblown but we cannot tell by how much until people start being proper anti-viral treatments. Dan Andrews is killing people through negligence, even as he terrorises people with his goon squads.

    Forget this nerd act he has going. He adopts a posture that makes him look vulnerable even as he sends goons in to abuse pregnant women. He must be clamped down on as hard as the virus, or the fascism will spill across the borders.

  6. Its not a good time to be campaigning against our rights ikon. Even in a fairly nuanced way that in better times one could agree with you for arguments sakes. Have you seen the goons breaking in doors and forcing their way into Australian households? Have you seen how ridiculous the pretences are for these illegal break and entries? The Police refuse to answer any questions because they don’t have any decent answers. They just have some criminal signing a piece of paper and around they go to bust your door in.

    Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Andrews is now a criminal on a number of levels and the justice system should act accordingly. Or is it legal just because the ruling party is doing it? Thats the Hitler view of things. In Germany they are having these massive protests because they know the score. The oligarchs media Pravda is playing down the crowd numbers. But the German people have completely overwhelmed any police capacity to reign the protests in.

  7. Try To Remember,
    You state:
    “So the emergency is overblown, though the virus is lethal to many people. Its overblown but we cannot tell by how much until people start being proper anti-viral treatments.”

    Is it “overblown”? I think that’s bunkum.
    COVID-19 global stats as at September 07, 2020, 02:17 GMT
    World cases: _ 27,288,655 _ _ World deaths: 887,549 _ _ World deaths/1M pop: _ _ _ _113.9
    #001 USA: _ _ _ 6,460,250 _ _ USA deaths: _193,250 _ _ USA deaths/1M pop: _ _ _ 583
    #002 India: _ _ _ 4,202,562 _ _ India deaths: _ 71,687 _ _ India deaths/1M pop: _ _ _ _ 52
    #003 Brazil: _ _ _ 4,137,606 _ _ Brazil deaths: 126,686 _ _ Brazil deaths/1M pop: _ _ _595
    #004 Russia: _ _ 1,025,505 _ _ Russia deaths: 17,820 _ _ Russia deaths/1M pop: _ _ 122
    #005 Peru: _ _ _ _ _689,977 _ _ Peru deaths: _ _29,838 _ _ Peru deaths/1M pop: _ _ _ 903

    #070 Australia: _ _ _ 26,319 _ _ Australia deaths: _ 762 _ _ Australia deaths/1M pop: _ _ 30

    #147 New Zealand: _ 1,776 _ _ New Zealand deaths: 24 _ _ New Zealand deaths/1m pop: 5
    See: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?

    These are the known cases, and I’d suggest the actual cases and deaths are probably way higher.

    So, let me get this straight, “Try To Remember” – do you wish to relax the restrictions here in Australia and risk increasing the spread of COVID-19, and therefore more sufferings and deaths? Do you think Australia should be higher on the COVID-19 table rankings – more like that of USA, India, Brazil, Russia, etc.? Do you want more people to suffer and die, just so you can have a greater ‘freedom’ to do whatever you want? Careful what you wish for – you might become another victim (directly, or indirectly through a family member or friend) of COVID-19 with a bad outcome!

    And these are only the deaths. What about the ongoing long-term damage to the health of people who survive infection?

    Dr Xand van Tulleken caught COVID and he apparently now has heart arrhythmia due to COVID-19. How many more like him with all sorts of ongoing damaged health due to COVID? Strokes? Kidney failure? Cognitive impairment?
    See: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/aug/05/surviving-the-virus-my-brother-and-me-review-a-rigorous-dispatch-from-the-covid-frontline
    Also: https://hmri.org.au/news-article/what-are-long-term-symptoms-covid-19

    What “anti-viral treatments”? There aren’t any proven safe, effective treatments that I can see so far. Perhaps you could enlighten everyone?

  8. No no lets go over it again: We cannot know in advance of allowing TREATMENT how harsh our non-treatment tactics ought to be.

    Now Geoff how do you treat coronavirus? I think your answer will be, in error, that there is no treatment that works. While these official lies continue, we cannot possibly know what non-treatment treatments are appropriate. I’ve seen down that bottom that you have included this lie. So while treatment denial is part of the terrorism people will be putting all the weight on destroying all civil liberties.

    This thing has been with us for a long time now. Its a testimony to the power of the campaign of treatment and preparation denial that you are still 100% ignorant about how to cope with this virus. This is irresponsible for one thing. You haven’t prepared, though you have had months to do so.

  9. “What “anti-viral treatments”? There aren’t any proven safe, effective treatments that I can see so far. Perhaps you could enlighten everyone?”

    So you are admitting to being completely ignorant of this subject? Yet you are quite willing to spout off in terms of your views, that from your own admission are not well-founded. You are quite willing to say that the destruction of civil liberties is not only an appropriate measure, its the ONLY measure. After all this time you don’t know what to do before you get the virus. You don’t know what to do when you get those first viral symptoms. You have no clue what to do when you are sick.

    I put it to you that this level of ignorance, after all this time, is completely irresponsible. Lets go for a warmup shall we? What role does zinc play in disrupting the virus, and how do you get zinc into the cell?

    You don’t even know about zinc do you?

  10. Try To Remember,
    “What role does zinc play in disrupting the virus, and how do you get zinc into the cell?”

    Posted at AARP on Aug 17, is a piece headlined “Zinc, Vitamin D and the Coronavirus: What Doctors Know So Far”, that includes:

    “There is a long-established link between nutrition and immune health. But when it comes to the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2), scientists still don’t have a definitive answer on whether certain vitamins and minerals can help stave off an infection or make one less severe.

    “And that’s because it’s such a new phenomenon,” one that researchers are learning more about every day, says Walter Willett, M.D., professor of epidemiology and nutrition at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. Nothing is known to prevent or cure COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus. However, “it’s not impossible” that essential vitamins and minerals could provide some benefits, he adds.”
    See: https://www.aarp.org/health/drugs-supplements/info-2020/vitamins-covid.html

    So, let me get this straight, “Try To Remember” – you want to put ALL your FAITH in vitamins and minerals protecting everyone from COVID-19 (assuming everyone will take them in adequate quantities), while relaxing spacial/social restrictions?
    What are you proposing we do that won’t kill many more people? What’s your compelling evidence?

    What “official lies”?

  11. One step at a time. Tell me about zinc? What is the role of zinc in this story? You have six pathways you need to deal with. Or are you claiming that you are so ignorant of this story you cannot so much as tell me where zinc fits in?

  12. I’ll give you a clue as to location. Where is zinc helpful? Inside or outside the cell? What you are saying is that nothing can be done about viruses, and that its objectionable even to find out what can be done about viruses. Thats what you are telling me right?

    A little bit of contemplation should tell anyone that this attitude is necessary for biowarfare to be successful.

  13. I have been encouraged by the fact that Australian police and politicians often seem to go harder against right wing activists than they do against the left .I once went to an anti anti mosque demonstration (in Melton ,it was a big one) and the cops diligently weapon checked every rightist but barely any of us at all. I think they know the facts about relative propensity for violence ,its not that hard to work out . Police have been on TV referring to the anti lockdown people as ‘boofheads’ .Its odd to see how armed white right wing extremists in the US are allowed free reign and are even encouraged onto the streets (by the president no less) .American civilians have 100’s of times more small arms in total than do their military or police.

  14. “I have been encouraged by the fact that Australian police and politicians often seem to go harder against right wing activists than they do against the left.”

    But that feeding the alligator idea is going to bite you on the bum sooner or later. While you are a leftist you would be safer helping the right-wing victims out then these guys are safe sticking out for themselves. While you are in Queensland (for example) you would be safer speaking up for the liberty of the Victorians who now face a goon-squad busting in their door and beating people up in front of their kids.

    So as a tactical matter, no matter how callous you are, it would pay for you to be sticking up now for the right-wing Victorians while you are still free to do so. Because the fascists or Bolsheviks, really the same people with a different mask, will close your act down as soon as they get power over you.

    The people financing the violence in the United States know who to sponsor. They are not sponsoring traditional white rural Americans who are armed to the teeth. Rather they are going with the Antifa/BLM loony toons. Those are the guys they can get to smash things up. Sooner or later the other side will run amok. But they know who to sponsor first.

    We used to have this idea that we would all stick up for each-other in the face of armed police goons. Not on the agenda any more I guess? Thats a super dangerous attitude.

  15. I zinc there is no good evidence that element 30 can substitute for public health measures. It looks like it can help with colds, but it literally took 32 years of studies to come down on the side of “probably better than a placebo.” So, yeah, take zinc supplements, but in addition to other measures to reduce the spread of the virus. We should throw the kitchen zinc at the virus.

  16. No you’ve completely lost the plot Ronald. You cannot have a valid opinion if you are wilfully ignorant. We are not saying here that zinc is the one true measure. We are asking the question ….. If there are six pathways we need to take care of, with regards to viral infection, where does zinc fit into that picture. Six pathways Ronald. Not one. A mix of medical measures Ronald. Not one science powder.

    Try again. Where does zinc fit in? Try to remember. Popperian criteria and methodology makes the left-winger feel confident only when he is completely ignorant.

  17. TTR ;-

    I dont accept your axioms. Right wing Victorians are already in power everywhere here ,and the left does not advocate preemptive violence only the far and extreme right does .Advocacy of different types violence can often be seen in the mainstream right too. Amusingly Breitbart covered the ham fisted arrest of the young pregnant freedom advocate and referred to Victorias state government as ‘far left’. Do you know of a left wing website where the comments threads are full of violent threats every day ? In all of the internet I suppose there must be one somewhere but right wing ones abound. I have known many left wing extremists ,I have lived amongst them ,and violent types are very rare indeed. A rightist without a well developed aggressive streak on the other hand would just be a weird loser.

    Also, I doubt anyone is sponsoring the very tiny amount of property violence seen from the left in the US. The vast bulk of wealth and power back right wing politics there ,as it is here.

  18. Try To Remember,
    Rather than accusing people that they are “so ignorant” and “completely ignorant”, why don’t you enlighten everyone with your supreme knowledge?
    What “mix of medical measures”? What “pathways”?

    What would be your advice to the Australian State Premiers and Prime Minister to deal effectively with COVID-19 while avoiding more deaths? What grand plan are you proposing Australia should follow that won’t kill many more people? What’s your compelling evidence?
    Do you have anything constructive to offer or are you here just to abuse people?

  19. Well all you are pointing out is the inadequacy of this left-right dialectic. When a government turns fascist you can call them far left or far right and I don’t really care. You can say they are Bolsheviks or Fascists and it makes no difference. But its when we abandon the defence of innocent people that we create a world in which pigs are upwardly mobile. So here we have this right-wing, left-wing, fascist, Bolshevik breakout in Victoria and you may be sitting back and saying …. Ho ho its okay. I”m safe. That pregnant young lady was probably a bit of a righty. I suggest strongly that this is not a self-interested notion on your part.

    You don’t have to doubt there is sponsoring of property violence in the US. The vandalism is not tiny. Its about half a billion and still climbing. Its a runaway daily occurrence being blocked out by the fake media. The sponsors are known and trackable. So its this continual idea that the Popperian is in his strongest position when he knows absolutely nothing at all and can fold his arms skeptically. The conspiracy in this case goes all the way on the left (right, fascist, bolshevik?) where you get people saying “peaceful protest” over and over over again. You can see those two clowns on ABC in depth force-feeding this meme. Its over at the Guardian. And both these entities are pushing the HCQ lies as well. Without even knowing where HCQ fits into the mix.

  20. “Rather than accusing people that they are “so ignorant” and “completely ignorant”, why don’t you enlighten everyone with your supreme knowledge?”

    You are admitting so yourself. And what I’m saying is if you follow this Popperian or perhaps pseudo-Popperian methodology you will only feel confident if you maintain your ignorance. Then you will just fold your arms and expect anyone not agreeing with your ignorant point of view to put up a massive audit trail from their research.

    The virus comes past your mask and lets say its in your bloodstream or in fluid between your cells. Now its not got any material to work with BETWEEN your cells right? You do know that much right? At least traditionally we think of a virus as needing to get into the cell, use material inside the cell, replicate, and then bust out again.

    So thats the path. Now I’m asking you where the zinc fits into that scenario?

  21. I do not know if anyone in Australia is interested in the subject of the American Revolution or not, maybe a few people of Irish decent. But my new insight about how the Brits totally hoodwinkied the Americans and provked the Americans in to a fight for independence to make the Americans think that it was there idea so that the Brits could get out of their treaty obligations in North America and pretend that they were trying to protect the native people from the unscuplous Americans has led me to a more detailed insight in to Benidict Arnold.
    Benidict did not defect to the Brits because he was passed over for promotion. He was from the very beginning of the conflict a mole for the Brits in the American Camp. He began working for the Brits in that capacity in 1774. The whole Peggy Shippen story is a convient cover story to explain the relationship between Benidict and Major Andre.
    This story has stood up for almost 250 years because no one has examined it with a the eye of a cynical skeptic.

  22. I will soon be claiming that Prince Willaim and Prince Harry are not the biological offspring of Prince Charles. Would that be a portent conspiracy theory? Or would I be wasting my time?

  23. There is a hallaballu in the United States right now about something called the 1619 Project.
    I was doing some reading related to that. It is somewhat related to my recent more accurate assessment of American History. I believe that I mentioned that maintaining slavery was actually an additional motive that came in to play to encourage the US colonies to succeed from England.
    But it is comments concerning the racial wealth gap in the United States that I read that caused me to want to make some ecomomic comments at this time.
    When the subject of wealth is written about in the USA and probably in the world for that matter the subject is never written about honestly. Much of what is wealth, such as national pensions, do not even get considered as personal wealth. That is a really stupid oversight.

  24. Know another quite evangelic vitamin miracle protection believer – he’s not stupid and a walking medical lexicon. Problem is, he is also a severe autistic person with some pretty serious personality disorders on top. One of the unfortunate effects is: He cannot distinguish marketing and serious medical research at all. If someone says something it is true in a very literal sense for him.

  25. Don’t try it on hix. Science isn’t for everyone. Now about this zinc. Where does it fit into fighting the virus? We want something, or perhaps more than one thing, to combat the virus at every part of its “life cycle.” So to have an informed position on the politics of mitigation of this bioweapon, we need at least a crude understanding of what any treatment is supposed to achieve.

    The zinc hix. Lets have your version of where it fits in.

  26. Marketing? You simpleton. Zinc, Iodine, HCQ, Ivermectin, Selenium, HIgh-dose IV vitamin C, High-dose vitamin D, A, K2, cheap antibiotics …… None of these avail themselves of supernormal profits. So marketing doesn’t come into this picture when we consider rational treatment. Marketing scams are all about supernormal monopoly products. They are not for anything shown to be useful in the virus story.

    Rather marketing comes into the terrorist attack itself; The idea that this virus uniquely cannot be treated. Thats where the marketing comes into it. Or with expensive new treatments rather than proven old treatments.

  27. This comment is not about a conspiracy theory. It is about a conspiracy question. The question is why do many countries of Northern Europe continue to maintain “Constitutional” Monarchies?

    Why does any country need a head of state in the first place? Countries certianly need a government.
    But a head of state plays no active role in the goverment. So while the postion of Prime Minister or Chancellor or Primier makes some sense as the head of a government, I find it a bit odd for a country like Germany or Italy to even have a a President to perform cerimonial duties. But at least in these countries the person who does this work is someone who has actually done something other than be born to parents that were not chosen in the first place which is the case in monarchies. And then there is France where the President actually has real power. That seems to have some sense to it.

    Even in these typical cases seem to me to be just flat out dumb. Individual people are full of weaknesses. With a (central)committee on the other hand the strengths of some members can off set the weaknesses of other members. But i degress a bit.

    These crticisms of a constitutional monarchy are as obvious as hell and have been pointed out for a long time. Yet these monarchies persist. Why?

    Doing away with these structures would be benificial to any country that would do so and it would be extra ordinarily easy. But scienfitically advanced countries can not even manage these simple reforms.
    Maybe these countries such äs the UK, Japan, Spain, the Netherlands, and the Scandanavian countries can not manage such simple reforms because they are artistically backwards.

    But I think that the more likely answer is that these forms of government are hiding something important from the public. It would seem that the monrachs of these countries have nothing to hide.
    What could it be that they are hiding for the benifit of the state that needs to stay hidden?

    A token? A formula? A graveyard?

  28. TTR

    Yes, the terms Left and Right need proper definition .Their meaning changes over time. They are just useful to facilitate communication but can sometimes be a hindrance instead .Breitbart calls the Vic state govt ‘far left ‘ and violent militia vigilantes like Patriot Prayer ‘conservatives’ .Most Australians who call themselves conservative are actually quite radical compared to normal historical conservatism. You could think of me as a left wing libertarian if you like since I believe that a functional government is needed to maximise personal freedom. Mostly its better to talk about class than left or right ,letting the capitalist class ,and the politicians they own ,continue to determine our freedom unopposed would be a disaster. Right wing libertarians dont talk about class – that is not a coincidence, the movement is owned by the capitalist class.

    I think there are two kinds of people – those who think it is good to care about others and to try to help them ,and those who dont .That is the basic left right divide in modern western countries. In the right circumstances most people can go either way , thats where leadership comes in. I think the anti lockdown people are advocating for a form of violence over others and so should be respectfully stopped.

    I think media bias on the BLM movement might be the opposite of what you suspect . Did you know that as of more than a month ago there had been 35 incidents of vehicles driving through crowds of protesters ? (from the Washington Post). What happens when blacks show guns near cops ? they get shot dead but in the US whites can march into state houses of parliament with weapons. You quote a $ value for property damage that is microscopically small compared to the damage of systemic racism. It is unreasonable to expect no property will ever get damaged especially since property ownership is one of the main issues. If you put your knee on someones neck for long enough they will start struggling – that should not be taken to be a sign that they are inherently violent so they deserve what they are getting.

  29. TTR,
    You state:
    “Marketing? You simpleton. Zinc, Iodine, HCQ, Ivermectin, Selenium, HIgh-dose IV vitamin C, High-dose vitamin D, A, K2, cheap antibiotics …… None of these avail themselves of supernormal profits. So marketing doesn’t come into this picture when we consider rational treatment.”

    All I see from you is more personal abuse, a suggestion for ‘expensive urine’ and the potential for Vitamin A, D, and K overdoses, and Zinc, Selenium and Iodine toxicity. Antibiotics don’t work for viruses.

    Do you have shares/interests in companies producing pharmaceuticals and supplements, TTR?

    One last time, TTR:
    What would be your advice to the Australian State Premiers and Prime Minister to deal effectively with COVID-19 while avoiding more deaths? What grand plan are you proposing Australia should follow that won’t kill many more people? What’s your compelling evidence?

  30. Reverse order quotes:

    “What happens when blacks show guns near cops ? they get shot dead but in the US whites can march into state houses of parliament with weapons.”

    Look I share your concerns. And in our country we had overly harsh treatment of aboriginal people leading to deaths in custody. CUSTODY .. think of that word. It means what is supposed to mean. It is supposed to mean that sort of utmost care. Live witnesses. Only he judge is supposed to be into punishment.

    This was an epidemic a while back. My ideology is that once the cuffs are on everyone must spin on the dime and become gentleman. No matter how the blood is going to their heads prior to that. You can be a tough mean guy until the cuffs are on then you’ve got to transform into a saint. If not a saint then an endlessly sympathetic George Smiley type. And if you can’t shift gears like that, the there are plenty of other people who can do the job.

    Also we had imported this horrific handgun ideology. Wherein as soon as you had to touch your weapon, then that obliged you and your five buds to all blaze away to the centre of body mass. Even if it was at a bipolar French fellow, carrying only a bread knife, in the soft sand. I mean this stuff is just disgusting. But our policemen improved a great deal. Yet they are always in danger of backsliding. And we need guys to be proficient with less lethal weaponry.

    The people putting up the funds for Black Lives Matter chose the most clever slogan imaginable. But their statement of goals is not in keeping with their name. So there is at least three levels of reality there. The airbrushed goals … that no-one with a human heart could disagree with … then the next level is the faux-Marxist goals. Then the next level is just the old game of getting us fighting each-other so that we can be stolen off, and trying to do as much damage between the various differentiated communities as possibly can be done.

    Teasing out the creators of these front groups is way beyond the scope of this blog. But you have the same database as me. So work out the Chewy-bono here and find out the track record of those who put up the funds.

    ” think media bias on the BLM movement might be the opposite of what you suspect.”

    Nope. You haven’t found the sponsors. I’m not going into any that information here because this is a blog that kids can read. But consider the situation where Rittenhouse defended his home community? Sure I wish those boys had a much larger team and I wish most of them were carrying less lethal weapons. But the video information tells us that the African Americans weren’t all that motivated to cause mayhem. And so the white psychopaths were trying to get the fighting going between the two groups. Thats the real formula going on. They are using the referred pain from a community who is hurting from lack of job opportunities. Believe me if every man had a good union job these stirrers would not be able to get this kind of violence going. What is unique about the Kenosha situation is the white psychos got killed and everyone else came home unharmed.

  31. “All I see from you is more personal abuse, a suggestion for ‘expensive urine’ and the potential for Vitamin A, D, and K overdoses, and Zinc, Selenium and Iodine toxicity. Antibiotics don’t work for viruses.”

    You complete idiot. Why would you poison people by prescribing an overdose of anything mentioned above? The idea is to get people to become healthy. So why would overdoses be part of this story? Any overdose of any mineral can bring on a heart attack. Fortunately most minerals are easily excreted so that almost never happens.

    And why create “expensive urine” if you want to fix the problem? Its cheap treatment, not expensive urine. CHEAP TREATMENT. Just such idiocy. The whole point is the keep the urine cheap by using proven products that have been around for decades.

    “Antibiotics don’t work for viruses.”

    Right. So I say the antibiotics should be delayed until you have evidence for a secondary opportunistic bacterial lung infection. But the doctors who have a successful track record (of keeping people with Covid alive and without permanent damage) are into time management. So they usually put the cheap anti-biotic in there with the rest of the protocol. Just to have all bases covered. To me thats more about their own personal productivity than it is about the well-being of the patient. But who am I to argue with success?

    The point is that appeals to marketing by murderous ass-clowns pushing for treatment denial … these appeals are irrational since rational treatment doesn’t involve any new products under patent protection. So there is no “differential accumulation’ possible in this scenario.

    You really haven’t thought too hard about the subject have you fella?

  32. “What would be your advice to the Australian State Premiers and Prime Minister to deal effectively with COVID-19 while avoiding more deaths?”

    Without taking any other methodology completely off the table ……… pivot towards preparation and treatment. Does anyone remember preparation? Does anyone remember treatment? Follow science and get everyone in the vulnerable groups preparation and treatment. Then make this general.

    Forgetting everything we thought we knew about preparation, treatment, viruses, and corona viruses, was baked into the terrorist attack. The Orwellian memory hole opened up around February and everything was sucked down it. This was baked into the cake. Biowarfare is a specific type of terrorism and it has its own specific requirements.

  33. TTL

    ” the white psychopaths were trying to get the fighting going between the two groups. ”

    The white psycho doing that is Donald Trump and he is being allowed (and even helped by some) to do so by the US capitalist class. BLM realise that systemic injustice cant be addressed without confronting rampant unrestrained capitalism .The power of BLM this time is that there are lots of whites on board too. Violence is not in their interests since they may lose the clear majority public support they have, and they can be crushed by state power if it seems legitimately used .

  34. “The white psycho doing that is Donald Trump”

    No thats a stupid dumb-left reaction to stop you from getting to the bottom of the problem. Either you are going to do your homework or you are going to stay rationally ignorant. Either scenario is fine. But don’t be goose-stepping on cruise control with such lame foolishness.

    Donald is a symptom. He’s no core problem.

  35. TTR,
    You stated: “High-dose vitamin D, A, K2”. That suggests to me a potential for overdosing on fat-soluble Vitamin A, D, and K.

    You stated: “HIgh-dose IV vitamin C”. That suggests ‘expensive urine’ to me – the body will only take what water-soluble Vitamin C it needs and excretes the rest in urine – ‘expensive urine’, particularly if it’s sourced via an IV drip.

    You stated:
    “Why would you poison people by prescribing an overdose of anything mentioned above? The idea is to get people to become healthy.”

    Yet you are proposing high doses of vitamins and minerals. Who’s playing ‘Russian Roulette’ with people’s health? I’d suggest you don’t know what you are doing. I’d suggest you are somewhere close to the peak of “Mt Stupid” on the Dunning-Kruger curve on this subject.
    See: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_Effect_01.svg

    You state:
    “Without taking any other methodology completely off the table ……… pivot towards preparation and treatment. Does anyone remember preparation? Does anyone remember treatment? Follow science and get everyone in the vulnerable groups preparation and treatment. Then make this general.”

    What “methodology”? What “preparation” and “treatment”? Make what “general”? I think this is all ‘hand waving’ gobbledygook! You have no plan, do you TTR? You have no compelling evidence, do you TTR? IMO, you are just regurgitating a whole lot of words and sentences that say nothing of use to deal effectively and safely with the COVID-19 crisis.

    Do you really think governments are ignoring any effective treatments, just so we can continue to be locked-up, and also while wrecking the economy?

  36. “TTR,
    You stated: “High-dose vitamin D, A, K2”. That suggests to me a potential for overdosing on fat-soluble Vitamin A, D, and K.”

    K2. Get it right you dope. Look if you want to make people well rather than kill them, are you going to poison them by way of overdose? Yes or no?

    You have to understand that you are a really stupid man.

  37. “You stated: “HIgh-dose IV vitamin C”. That suggests ‘expensive urine’ to me ”

    You complete moron. Since vitamin C cannot be patented the potential for making this treatment cheap doesn’t bottom out. It could even be turned into a public good with almost zero marginal cost.

    Capitalist exploitation 101.

    Secondly we have vitamin C as a nutrient. But we have an alternative vitamin C treatment that is more akin to a benevolent chemo-therapy. It pays to not get confused between these two applications.

  38. “Do you really think governments are ignoring any effective treatments, just so we can continue to be locked-up, and also while wrecking the economy?”

    I know for an absolute fact that they are. Its totally proven that they are. And you are also doing this. What the matter with you? You a coincidence theorist?

    Look you are a moron. Get used to a more honest self-image.

  39. Oh no. Don’t tell me you are using the Dunning-Kruger projection.

    Dropkick.

    Thats the old Dunning-Kruger projection. You might as well have been hanging out at the Amazing Randi’s disinformation site this minute.

    I’ve got news for you. Randi was a Conjurer. He wasn’t a scientist.

  40. TTR

    ” Donald is a symptom. He’s no core problem.” – i agree with that part. The core problem is unrestrained immoral capitalism ,of which Donald is the perfect predictable symptom.

    TTR you must realise that by being rude you are on your way to getting banned from here. Just remember that it was not because of your ideas and that your were given warning. Right wing free speech apologists for the capitalist class Andrew Bolt and Sinclair Davidson both quickly banned me from their websites without warning or explanation .I was never rude or angry ,not once – they just dont want a contest of ideas. This is further evidence that for modern ‘conservatives’ democracy is dispensable if need be. It is only optional ,preservation and entrenchment of wealth and privilege being the primary goal .

    Disinformation and erosion of democracy protect the establishment ,as Steve Bannon said ” the aim is to flood the in-zone with bull$hit ” .Standard Fascist politics. Its not even a conspiracy theory, they are sometimes quite open about things .Peta Credlin has admitted to constant lying for political advantage. Alex Jones has admitted to lying – blaming it on mental illness. Just follow the money ,Murdoch loses $2 million /mth to keep the Australian newspaper in print and Gina Reinhardt funds the IPA .Billionaires are behind all the US far right and Right libertarian movements – thats freedom for you . There is no need for anything conspiratorial or hidden , the truth is less surprising or glamorus ,its all in plain sight really.

  41. “The core problem is unrestrained immoral capitalism ,of which Donald is the perfect predictable symptom.”

    Thats great. We agree. Plus I do appreciate your position as a leftist libertarian. Because to me that sounds like you are a small government egalitarian. Although from my point of view, we have to tolerate quite high government intervention for the forseeable future, because we have made a pigs breakfast of things. And in the very long run I expect transfer payments and infrastructure investment to be pretty big stuff.

    Sure if you go small government egalitarian on Sinclair’s site you are gone. They want to keep us in the plantation and in two different paddocks. Thats not necessarily how Sinclair would see it. But a whole series of filters are built up against the prospect of societal excellence.

  42. Where is your evidence that this ISN’T the case? You are the one working things out purely from the ignorant navel-gazing perspective. Don’t be jiving me with that Popper debris.

  43. dope? moron?

    is it the npw in another guise?

    who knows? who cares?

    there is an American free speech trope that

    “free speech does not include crying FIRE in a crowded place”

    any chance that could apply to the “fake news” lie?

  44. There is no fake news lie. To deny fake news is to be congenitally dishonest. I don’t suppose you’ve heard of “Operation Mockingbird” have you?

    See how the faux-Popperian stupidocracy treats total ignorance as epistemological virtue?

    No I don’t think you’ll make that connection. Its okay. Don’t furrow your low IQ brow in a pathetic attempt to understand.

  45. For anyone who wants the truth, here’s a chance to educate yourself about the importance of zinc:

  46. No sorry you are just an idiot Crikey.

    Crikey lets go again you stupid stupid loser. Where does zinc fit into the fight against viral replication?
    What a drooling shit-for-brains you are champ.

    So are we clear now? The hard left think that total ignorance is an asset in any argument. They go through a series of drooling idiot Popperian steps. And they are always and almost uniquely totally full of shit.

    Are we clear on that now?

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