95 thoughts on “Monday Message Board

  1. @Tim macknay

    poster queen of the republic?

    and didn’t a recent evaluation of the benefit of unpaid voluntary work show the monetary benefit to the country was a bit more than expected?
    the mining industry could collapse and we would get by( although the poor old fin would be hard pressed for copy,the property and financial jobs losses sector only fills so many column inches)
    but what would happen if the voluntary input collapsed and we went to a pure “libertarian”eat the losers society?

    i’m being unkind to the poor old fin.
    the evaluation of the volunteer input was in the fin.
    just as an aside,if they ditched the glossy speudo magazines about fashion and expensive travel for the cashed up and clueless and stopped being the equivalent of a manic depressive and concentrated on the undeniable truly informed flashes of lucidity and those really good essays that come at the weeks end and extended the knowlege of what they are,the availability of their product and concentrated on reviewing finance (things like council finances (heh)
    unlisted company finances,the off balance sheet social cost/benefits of various industries and stopped boxing themselves into a corner by trying to be all things to a really small section of the poputation,
    after all, every body is interested in the money-go-round and stopped employng writers of the “make it turgid,make it boring, convolute,obfuscate and treat the reader as an idiot school of jounalism”maybe they’ll stop burning money and actually make some.

    really,it’s not a good look for a broadcaster that specialises in money to be unable to actually make any.

  2. @may

    Interesting to observe that in the wild ((as opposed to at the pulpit) libertarians desire for liberty extends little further than for themselves.

  3. @may
    You definitely get fired up over the ol Fin May 🙂 I think your last statement is most pertinent though. Maybe they should be forced to suffix every critical report of those businesses not performing with the statement “just like us” 🙂

  4. If mining sneezes, the dollar declines against the greenback and euro, and the manufacturing industry gets a dose of vitamin C.

  5. @Tim Macknay

    Correct, historically at least.

    However, first, the crumbling US dollar has created a bit of a scramble for new safe haven(s) and unfortunately, to some extent, the Au$ has been lucky enough to sneak onto the try out list. Second, the shedding of labour in mining will be close to instant whereas the cranking up of other sectors will take some time, and during a world downturn. A sensible bit of stimulus will be called for. But will the incumbent political clowns answer? That’s the big question. The downturn in China has been predicted again, and again. And again. Eventually even wishful thinking can come true. Time reveals…

  6. @Troy Prideaux

    well,sort of.but it’s the best paper in Oz(imho) (which is not really saying much)
    and the potential for being better-than-just goodish, is huge.

    sigh.

    the call for an improvement in financial literacy in todays fin in the light of everyone in Australia being personally exposed to the variety of the financial industry is a step in the right direction.(imho (again))

    i could certainly do with it.

  7. @Troy Prideaux

    well,sort of.but it’s the best paper in Oz(imho) (which is not really saying much)
    and the potential for being better-than-just goodish, is huge.

    sigh.

    the call for an improvement in financial literacy in todays fin in the light of everyone in Australia being personally exposed to the variety of the financial industry is a step in the right direction.(imho (again))

    i could certainly do with it.

  8. This MSM meme about a sudden fear of “trolls” has me worried.

    Firstly, everyone who uses the internet knows what a “troll” is. It isn’t simply someone who is abusive, offensive or otherwise disagreeable. The key to trolldom is dishonesty and an agenda (usually poorly hidden, or denied – eg. climate denier trolls/concern trolls).

    Abuse is just abuse and certainly nothing to do with being a “troll”. Some trolls can be infuriatingly urbane as they try to destroy all that is good about the internet.

    So, there’s no problem with “twitter trolls”.

    Then why the sudden flurry of what look like conveniently contrived “outrages” relating to so-called ‘social media’, together with a straight-faced call by our MSM for strict regulation?

    With ‘Leveson’ on its way and the Govt supposedly considering ‘Finklestein’, and given that we are – as Assange put it – burning traditional media to the ground, as well as the MSM’s dire state where they couldn’t accurately report a minute’s silence unless they were paid by Rolex to do so – I have a nervous feeling.

    The biggest liars and bullies in our society have huge megaphones but we have the equivalent of passing notes in class when they have their backs turned, and they don’t like it at all.

    You don’t need a tin-foil-hat to guess that this whole “troll” thing is a fabrication designed to facilitate legislative constraint on our ability to communicate freely with each other (anonymously if we choose) while leaving the megaphones to people like……, who would want that?

  9. This MSM meme about a sudden fear of “trolls” has me worried.

    Firstly, everyone who uses the internet knows what a “troll” is. It isn’t simply someone who is abusive, offensive or otherwise disagreeable. The key to trolldom is dishonesty and an agenda (usually poorly hidden, or denied – eg. climate denier trolls/concern trolls).

    Abuse is just abuse and certainly nothing to do with being a “troll”. Some trolls can be infuriatingly urbane as they try to destroy all that is good about the internet.

    So, there’s no problem with “twitter trolls”.

    Then why the sudden flurry of what look like conveniently contrived “outrages” relating to so-called ‘social media’, together with a straight-faced call by our MSM for strict regulation?

    With ‘Leveson’ on its way and the Govt supposedly considering ‘Finklestein’, and given that we are – as Assange put it – burning traditional media to the ground, as well as the MSM’s dire state where they couldn’t accurately report a minute’s silence unless they were paid by Rolex to do so – I have a nervous feeling.

    The biggest liars and bullies in our society have huge megaphones but we have the equivalent of passing notes in class when they have their backs turned, and they don’t like it at all.

    You don’t need a tin-foil-hat to guess that this whole “troll” thing is a fabrication designed to facilitate legislative constraint on our ability to communicate freely with each other (anonymously if we choose) while leaving the megaphones to people like……, who would want that?

  10. @Megan

    Troll is simply one of these words of abuse like the n word. An indication of disposition toward the person it is applied to and not much more. These sorts of words come in quite handy when one is groping, and don’t really have anything substantive to say.

  11. @Ronald Brak

    It is so you can enjoy some libertarian economist:s wet dream of what they think is competition. When they have such a strong belief in their own personal freedom, there is no way you can convince them that there are somethings they ought not do in public!

  12. @Megan

    Have to agree with your sentiments on this one. As the mainstream media is in a race (losing it seems) to see whether it or journalist standards (((oxymoron anyone?) will extinguish first, the ‘need’ presented in it is increasingly stagey with all the hallmarks of sponsorship. Increasingly visitors from so-called repressed places laugh at our free press and the only decent news organisation left is not the BBC but Al Jazerra. Must be why the US military fire rockets at their journalists. What an endorsement!!

  13. Further to my post about the MSM’s sudden obsession with good behaviour,

    This morning News Ltd’s Sydney tabloid, the “Daily Tele”, started a ‘Twittition’ under the hashtag StopTheTrolls. A minute ago it had garnered 11 signatures.

    2 and a half hours ago some wag started a Twittition #StopTheDailyTele and it has 60 signatures already.

    I love the internet.

    PS: I saw a tweet from someone asking if #StopTheTrolls constituted uncompetitive conduct by the Tele!

  14. Its great to see the America reaping the benefits for supporting the Arab Spring in Libya and Egypt. Western countries need to intervene more in the Middle East to promote democracy so that more of our diplomatic staff can be murdered by Islamists or at the very least be targeted by random RPG firers.

    And the next time lets rope the Japanese into our next incursion. I don’t see why the isolationist Japanese should miss out on all the fun.

    Also, lets invite more people from these regions come to our shores, the better to shower them with the blessings of liberal democracy.

  15. One or two assumption there. One huge one that the “good” guys were there to promote democracy and to do good.

    What a pity the “bad” guys gave them that now traditional greeting that the US military gives the non-embedded journalist, the one RPG salute.

    But isn’t it natural to imitate your betters?

  16. @Megan

    Interesting how you cease being a troll (or never were one) if the media shower you with obscene sums of money for your activities, as Bolt and Sandilands demonstrate.

  17. Speaking of sponsorship, our current foreign minister, americophile, Bob “make mine a Lincoln” Carr, is now doing such a Sterling job for our much loved big-brother ally that ought he not be fully sponsored by them? Surely due to his extraordinary schmoozing efforts the sponsorship ought to be so bountiful that he should become a budget fixing profit center for our government. Deficit begone, the Carr sponsorship deal should see to that! Leastways, hard to see why the Australian taxpayer should be one cent of pocket for the services he’s providing on the world stage. If recycles are the order of the day, why is Paul-the-charmer Keating still moth-balled?

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