Sandpit

A new sandpit for long side discussions, conspiracy theories, idees fixes and so on.

To be clear, the sandpit is for regular commenters to pursue points that distract from regular discussion, including conspiracy-theoretic takes on the issues at hand. It’s not meant as a forum for visiting conspiracy theorists, or trolls posing as such.

263 thoughts on “Sandpit

  1. In breaking news we see the Israeli missile arriving. And I was thinking it was a planted nuke. Well there you go. Proven wrong already.

    Still the footage could be faked. But then whose to fake it?

  2. Just stop! Plenty of conspiracy sites to post too.

    I learn something here everyday – thany you all barr 1 – and at 152+ your massive brains maybe deployed saving the world, not stroking your intelligence fighting, as Ikon says:

    ” CRS continues with his florid paranoid delusions. He really does need to be banned from here and seek treatment.”

    Breathe. Read another thread. Write. Post.

    Stop the sandstorm please.

  3. Look I get it. And I will stop posting so much. But these are Lebanese Christians that were murdered and I guess that makes them unimportant in your eyes. But Lebanese Christians are important also.

    We have a country that is now running amok. I mean not just merely cruel yet capable like they were in the 50’s. But fully running amok. No restraining hand on their shoulder. No fear of punishment or aid being cut off. No fear of ever being accused of anything they don’t outright confess to in the media. Just running around doing crazy things everywhere.

  4. Cool this nuke is targeted so that it only kills christians. Pretty weird, since the principle enemy of the mysterious people Classic keeps referring to (and we all know who you mean Classic) is usually considered to be Muslims. The plot thickens!

  5. Likud party conservative crazies don’t have friends, enemies or allies. They only have targets and patsies. The Muslims you are alluding to are in the patsy camp or the targeted camp. In case you are even a little bit interested, a high level Israeli politician has already confessed to the terrorist attack. And you can go and see the missile if you want to. Even without the missile the big explosion is clearly separate to the small explosions and warehouse fire. Clear as day. Two unrelated physical events not in the same place but in close proximity. Just watch it over and over again until you get comprehend the unrelated nature of the large explosion.

    The missile is visible. The politician has confessed. His name is Feiglin.

    Now we might hope for better behaviour should these Likud conservative crazies be voted out. But while it should be an improvement there is a warning out there for all those who suggest that we target civilians in wartime. We need nukes at sea, seeing as water is a great shock absorber, in naval battles. But ought we target the three gorges dam?

    Well the problem with Israel is that its national character has been damaged by people like Menachem Begin. You commit these ghoulish crimes, like carpet bombing Germans, or nuking the Japanese, you are treating small children as if they were enemies. But you are also damaging your own culture.

    When Rome spreads salt on the ground at Carthage they also poison pill their own act.

  6. The politician has confessed. His name is Feiglin.

    Moshe Feiglin was a member of the Israeli Parliament for one term. He is now the leader of a party which has never won any parliamentary seats.

    I found a report in which he said ‘I hope it was us’ but I have not found any reports in which he said ‘I know it was us’.

  7. “When Rome spreads salt on the ground at Carthage they also poison pill their own act.”

    No, Birdy, That happened elsewhere in the same year at the Battle of Corinth ending of the Achaean War.

    Graecia capta ferum victorem cepit (Captive Greece captured her rude conqueror) – Horace

  8. Former deputy speaker of the Knesset. Yes he thinks they did it. If he’s wrong it hardly matters. The list of suspects is not real long. Suspects actually bombing Lebanon at the time of the attack. Suspects who openly claimed they had a problem with that area. Kind of few and far between.

    Who do you think did it J-D? Aliens? Include your top three suspects. You know. To keep it scientific.

  9. Former deputy speaker of the Knesset.

    Yes, he was. How is that important?

    Yes he thinks they did it. If he’s wrong it hardly matters.

    I didn’t find any reports in which he said ‘I know it was us’ and I didn’t find any reports in which he said ‘i think it was us’; I only found reports of his saying ‘I hope it was us’. If he did say ‘I think it was us’, then if he’s right they did it; if he’s wrong they didn’t. That seems like a big difference to me; I don’t understand why it doesn’t matter to you.

    Who do you think did it J-D? Aliens? Include your top three suspects. You know. To keep it scientific.

    I don’t know what happened and I wouldn’t know how to find out what happened. I don’t even have any guesses. I know that if I wanted to find out what happened it wouldn’t be by finding out what Moshe Feiglin said and believing that, no matter what it was. Do you have a way of finding out what happened? Do you have a minimum of three theories to be scientific?

  10. Well its just the hypothesis generating stage of the scientific enquiry right? My top few theories would be; Israel doing what Israel does. Deep state Israel trying to discredit the current Prime Minister by doing this. The American deep state working on zionist request. And then after that it would be false flag attacks trying to discredit Israel.

    All major terrorist attacks are false flag. But the thing about false flag attacks is you need the media monolithically on your side. So thats a distant possibility. Its hard for the Chinese, the Russians or someone else to get the media to co-operate.

    I suppose you’d have to put industrial accident in there. But more as a dummy thesis just to bring the numbers up. Its just one of these things where there isn’t many good alternatives. It has to come down to people who never do anything wrong.

    Thats my big disclaimer here. No person of the rabbinical persuasion ever did anything wrong ever. So I suppose those Lebanese Christian civilians had it coming to them. The women and children had to be guilty of something? Even if they couldn’t have known what that was.

  11. Ah yes, nuclear weapons. Those terrifying devices that are the most destructive weapon ever invented by humans, but also small enough that you can safely film the blast from half a km away.

    This is why the US deployed a nuclear weapon on hiroshima, right? Because it’s famously pinpoint accurate so you can target for example only a community of Lebanese Christians.

    Your opinions would be funny Classic, if they weren’t so tasteless and crass. 130 people are dead, 4000 are injured, and half a city has been wrecked. Can’t you just give it a rest?

  12. FLASH!

    News Bulletin:

    Some people may object to me posting this personal incident on line. I properly maintain that it is a story of profound politcal significance.

    Between 3:45 and 4:00 local time I was walking down a hill near my house. I was on my way to retrieve my car. It was quite hot for this area 33° C. As I approached a car parked along side the road the car began to move. It was moving quite slowly. I actually caught up to it. Its slow speed made me look inside to see who the driver was. To my shock I saw that there was no driver inside the car.

    I quickly ran to the front, side, of the car and began pushing backwards against its movement. It was an Opel (Vauxhall) Meriva. Fortunately I was able to stop the car 5 meters, (OK maybe 6) meters before it would have been stopped by another car parked along side the road. I started shouting the cars licence plate number and saying the someone needs to come to their car as it was rolling down hill. But no one came. After some minutes I noticed that the house that I was now in front of had a doorbell on the gate. I let go of the car after a few seconds it did not move so I stepped over and rang the door bell. I left the car untouched and was able to determine that it would start to move again after about 45 seconds unless there was some force stopping it. After some minutes of waiting and shouting I figured that the people who lived in the house where I rang the doorbell were probably still at work.

    I noticed another house across the street with a doorbell at the fence gate. I went over and rang it was well. After a few minutes a woman emerged. The reason that she did not hear me is that she was deaf. I mean that litterally.

    She saw where her car was now parked and realized immediately what the problem was. She went back inside and retrived her keys and ran out to to attend to her car.

    This is clearly an decis”ive” example of the simulation administrators at work. I say this because not only had I not been where I was when I was to the exact second almost there would have been an accident with hundreds it not thousands of dollars of property damage.

    But that it just the beginning. If the car would have been larger I might not have been able to stop. I am kind of old with a bad back. if the cirumstance were different I might have failed in my simulated mission. But more importantly the irony of the type car that I stopped is quite significant. A Meriva.
    The Meriva is named for the Roman God Mercury, the Messenger God, and also the God of translators, mercheants, and thieves. And also the Roman God Minerva, the god of wisdom, the arts, and strategy.
    Now if one were to read the Opel page on the origin of the name Meriva it would give a slightly different story. But that story is only a cover story. My story is true and it is the real story. This seriously changes the story. What are the chances that this would be the type of car that I would stop. The chances are much much greater that it would have a VW Polo. Or a Citroen 270 Z. When one considers that the Opel Meriva represents perhaps only .001% of all cars registered in Germany, and it connects to me through my support for Greek stoic philosophers a person who would say that this was just a random event is surely missing something. This is not an example of a newspaper headline
    talking to me. This is an example of the simulation adminitstrators talking to me.
    If what I have said is not enough what about the fact that the owner of the vehicle was deaf. What are the chances of that? Does that not symbolically represent the deat leaders who have not been paying attention to our warnings?
    Then a further factor is that I almost made the distant walk for nothing. I reached for my phone as I continued my journey and discovered that I did not have it with me. I would have needed it to retrieve my car. Ouch.

    So when all of these factors are weighed together what is the message that Zeus and Posideon send?
    It is clearly that although things look really bad if we act prudently we can still avoid the worst. You may interpret the message differently if you like but I have interpreted it correctly.

    But big fragging deal! Just because they sent us that message does not mean that they are telling the truth. It is certianly possible that they just wanted to give us false hope so that we give up in 2022 not in 2021. We do not know what the purpose of their simulation is. We are their slaves.

    That brings me to the second part of the story which I will write in a second comment.

  13. Back in 2006 a incident occured that was also an message of sorts. The recent events of the Chinese sending seeds to the US reminded me of it. In 2006 I recieved a large box from an address in Tampa Bay Florida that neither my wife or I ordered. It turned out to be a box of dried egg whites.
    I figured that there were two possible messages meant from someone. Either I was putting egg on my own face, or I was putting egg on someone elses face. I think that we can rule out that if it was other faces that they lived in Elsass. It has taken almost 15 years and it is still not clear where that egg ended up.

  14. Nagasaki was indeed the centre of Christianity in Asia. The nuclear bomb destroyed a large church there, and very many Christians. Which makes you wonder if Hiroshima wasn’t just a decoy. No-one was safe filming the nuclear attack in Beirut as the films shows us. They were safe from flash burns though, the missile being detonated in deep water as you can see for yourself on video. Not like our guys in Bali, some of whom suffered from flash burns. I didn’t bomb Lebanon, Israel did. They use nuclear weapons ruthlessly and they killed our guys in Bali also. One of our guys was murdered in Beirut by Israel as well.

    Now are you going to relate your jibber to your various favoured hypotheses? Or are you just going to stand there with egg on your face, making excuses for the terrorists? You have the video of the missile. What you don’t have is a secondary suspect. Nor anyone else who has been known to use nukes since Nagasaki.

  15. “Here in Cyprus, we didn’t only feel it, it shook houses. Everyone was on social media asking what it was.”

    An industrial accident shook houses in Cyprus? Your theory is looking weak fatuousnotes. Israel was involved in terrorism; bombing the West bank and Syria the day before. Coincidence? Or Coencidence?

    The first thing that happens with a nuclear weapon in the desert is a vacuum is caused, then all the debris has to go back and fill that vacuum, and is heated. Finding nowhere else to go the debris heads up and forms the mushroom cloud. But with the water phase change absorbing all the heat and filling the vacuum the effect is a lot different. So mostly they were just left with the shock wave.

    Homelessness will be out of all proportion to the initial death toll.

  16. “I agree that the entire privatized superannuation investment industry for average workers is a con.”

    It seemed to start off so well didn’t it? I mean just the first few years. But really buying shares is not in itself a wealth creating act. So in retrospect it was never going to scale. And of course the best thing we can say about our financial industry is that it may not be as toxic as what the Americans have to put up with.

    So I think we always run fat surpluses. Recycle them into unambiguous wealth creation. And always be kind to old people. Simple. Transfer payments to old people doesn’t really cost that much. So take welfare payments to 70 year old women? What is the downside? She’s not going out there and having a lot more babies thus setting up an entire welfare class right? So we may as well pay the small amount and make her happy. Its the bank subsidies, the interest rate subsidies to the big end of town, the medical rackets, and public sector jobs blowouts. Thats the stuff that costs us. Not transfer payments to our old girls. Which really we should be delighted to pay to them.

  17. CRS’s conspiracy theories continue without any links to reportage or evidence. Here is one clear candidate as a source.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/

    The crudely doctored footage on this site is risible. The circled blurry black shape in one still shot is purported to be a missile (though it looks more like a stubby guided bomb if anything). They don’t show any continuation of this footage. I have seen this as motion footage on standard news reports. The blurred black shape is a bird well in the foreground of the smoke before the main blast. The bird continues to fly across in front of the rising smoke which is well in the background.

    Other moving footage on this crank conspiracy site shows a streak proceeding into the fire and “causing’ the main detonation. It purports to be infra-red footage. Somebody just happened to be filming infrared on a bright day with a hand phone?! Other shots show a doctored missile image superimposed on the “infra-red” (really hack-colorised and blue-tinted!) footage. The “missile” looks like a water-rocket you buy at the toy store. It’s even slightly bent and out of all proportion to the scene. This is kiddy stuff. What level of childish credulity is necessary to believe it?

    Commenting on this site is a privilege not a right. CRS has been banned from this site several times and for good reasons. He has been banned for multiple breaches of the discussion policy. Each time he returns with a new sock-puppet alias although sock-puppet aliases are also against site policy. He knows he is banned and yet willfully returns time after time. It’s time for a sock-puppet ban which sticks. In the meantime, if CRS has any honor he will accept the multiple bans already imposed on him.

  18. No I just looked at the nuclear explosion and saw that there was a nuclear attack. It wasn’t even a smoking gun of a nuclear attack. We have the video of the nuclear attack itself. Knowing Israel had done this before, and no-one else had, it was obvious who the culprit was. Your theory is the theory of an idiot. Your theory doesn’t hold up. Simple. The fact is there was a nuclear explosion, and your theory doesn’t cut it.

    You see there really was an explosion right? So we have to account for the explosion. Your theory doesn’t account for the explosion. We have the missile on video. Thats really the end of the matter.

    Some people will always make excuses for terrorist behaviour. You are one of these people. We haven’t seen you complain about the rest of Israel’s un-broken series of terrorist acts. LIke their bombing in the West bank and Syria the day before. So its just going to be one excuse for terrorism after another. If we followed you around we’d probably find that you were making excuses for the starving of the Bengalis, the naval blockade of Germany after she sued for peace in WW1, the bombing of Tokyo, and the carpet bombing of Dresden. We can see you terrorist lovers a mile off.

  19. Quora has a thread called “Did Israel Nuke Homs In Syria In 2013?” And you go there and you see everyone and his Mother denying that Homs was attacked with nuclear weapons even though the explosions were caught on video.

    Same thing going on here. You just look at the video with your eyes, don’t look away with your mind, and everything follows from that.

  20. Are you arguing that the Israelis planted the nuclear weapon rather than sending it in on a missile? Sure if it makes you happy you can make that case. Thats the case I was making before I saw the missile. And it would explain the data? So go ahead. If it makes you happy I’ll agree that the Israeli divers could have planted the nuke.

  21. CRS,

    What is your evidence for the missile attack? Sources and links please. What is your evidence for a nuclear attack? Sources and links please. What signatures of nuclear attack does the explosion show? Why will you not divulge or admit where you get your so-called evidence from?

    Where is the Nuclear MASINT (Measurement and Signature Intelligence) data which reveals it was a nuclear bomb? Is there not one nuclear capable and/or MASINT capable nation in the world that would be willing to expose this as a nuclear attack if it were so? Even if Israel, the US and their allies were covering up, would there not be one MASINT capable nation in the world ready to send experts to Beirut or disclose remote data? Nuclear monitoring can be done remotely as well as onsite. Indeed, there is even space-based nuclear energy detection available. “(This)… function exists today as the Integrated Operational Nuclear Detection System (IONDS), as an additional function on the NAVSTAR satellites used for GPS navigation information”. [Wikipedia]. The GPS system is now used to detect secret nuclear detonations.

    There are so many holes in your theories it’s laughable. Also, you never answer with verifiable data, only with emotive assertions and insults. Here is a selection:

    1. ” I just looked at the nuclear explosion and saw that there was a nuclear attack.”

    Wow, no need for instruments, you just looked! What are your qualifications in conventional and nuclear explosives characteristics? How do you practice these competencies instrument-free?

    2. “Knowing Israel had done this before, and no-one else had, it was obvious who the culprit was.”

    Unprovable assumption. There is no evidence of previous nuclear attacks by Israel. There is ample evidence of previous conventional attacks (even preemptive attacks) by Israel on several of its deemed opponents.

    3. “Your theory doesn’t hold up.”

    I haven’t advanced a full theory yet, only the evidence to date as facts are gathered and shared (hopefully and to some extent) with the public. You instantly run to a full theory and then adduce, or rather concoct, “facts” to suit your pre-judged theory.

    4. “The fact is there was a nuclear explosion… ”

    This is an assertion with no evidence whatsoever. Present your evidence.

    5. “We have the missile on video.”

    Who is “we”? Where is the video or links to it? Is it the video on the veteranstoday site? Why won’t you divulge sources and/or links for your assertions? Are you aware that video “evidence” is very easily doctored and concocted? Are you aware that the “evidence” of the veteranstoday is very clearly and amateurishly concocted and doctored?

    6. “Some people will always make excuses for terrorist behavior. You are one of these people.”

    You standard is that if someone does not immediately agree with your pre-judged theory but prefers to wait for more factual data this immediately makes them apologists for terrorist behavior.

    7. “We can see you terrorist lovers a mile off.”

    Who are “we”?

    I am waiting for cogent and specific answers to these questions. I predict I will get more pre-judged opinions, unfocused diatribe, ad hominem attacks and conspiracy theorizing without pointing to any sources or evidence. That has been your modus operandi to date.

  22. Well its just the hypothesis generating stage of the scientific enquiry right?

    I didn’t know that; how did you find that out?

    My top few theories would be; Israel doing what Israel does. Deep state Israel trying to discredit the current Prime Minister by doing this. The American deep state working on zionist request. And then after that it would be false flag attacks trying to discredit Israel.

    Isn’t ‘It all has to do with Israel’ just one theory, and isn’t ‘It has nothing to do with Israel’ a different theory?

    All major terrorist attacks are false flag.

    I didn’t know that. How did you find that out?

    Its just one of these things where there isn’t many good alternatives. It has to come down to people who never do anything wrong.

    I didn’t know that; how did you find that out?

    Thats my big disclaimer here. No person of the rabbinical persuasion ever did anything wrong ever.

    I didn’t know that; how did you find that out?

  23. I just told you. We have a video of the missile coming in and exploding. But if that makes you unhappy we can surmise that the missile was planted. What we don’t have to do is go looking for the nuclear explosion. The nuclear explosion is what was reported on the news and we have all seen it.

  24. The nuclear explosion is what was reported on the news and we have all seen it.

    That’s not true about me; I haven’t seen any news reports. Where should I look for them?

  25. The nuclear explosion itself is all over the news and on youtube. The missile was on youtube but the google lads may have banned it. If they have that makes the missile footage even more significant as evidence. So just in case youtube has banned the missile footage you could go to bitchute and look for “Negative footage may show incoming ordinance” with the channel as :Alternative_Narrative. This is not where the missile footage originated.

    It would of course be good to know about who provided the offshore footage, whether he is still alive, and that sort of thing.

  26. The nuclear explosion itself is all over the news …

    I did a search on the Web for news stories about a nuclear explosion in Beirut, but I didn’t find any news stories which said the explosion was nuclear and I did find some that said it wasn’t. Which news stories did you find that said it was a nuclear explosion?

  27. Keep looking through videos. You’ll get to the nuclear explosion soon enough. We are interested in the reality. Not in what the journalists are willing to say about it. The journalists are going through the same psychological denial problems as you are, but worse. Their ongoing employment is totally reliant on them staying in delusion. Finance controls the media moguls. The media moguls control the journalists. So you won’t have any serious analysis there.

  28. Classic Radio Stories,

    Evidence please.

    Give links and references to your evidence. You can’t because you don’t have any evidence other than the concocted bunkum on the conspiracy sites you trawl. Not once have you risen to the challenge to provide serious evidence… or any evidence at all.

  29. @ Ikonoklast

    ‘Who are “we”?’

    Possibly just Graeme’s other personalities: Saint Germain, Julius Evola, The Dudermensch, Brendon Taylor etc.

  30. Where is your evidence for YOUR theory? In West Texas there was an ammonium nitrate explosion in 2013. There was at least 60 tonnes of ammonium nitrate present. The investigators say that 30 tonnes detonated after a very extensive fire. So ten times as much as in Beirut. If 2,750 tonnes creates 3.5 on the richter scale (not even close) then 30 tonnes would have to lead to an earthquake circa 4.5 or more which is ridiculous.

    Big explosion sure. Huge mushroom-like cloud and large volume explosion no question.

    NO CRATER TO SPEAK OF. And nothing like the shock wave power.

    So your theory is dead. If you wanted to get Israel off the hook (which seems important to you) you would have to propose something new fangled like “The Rod Of God” weapon. That would be a pretty good suggestion, and you could prove it too from the specific nature of the crater!!!!!!! Since the Rod Of God directs more downward energy proportion than any other weapon, you could well prove that it was something of this nature and not a nuke.

    If you could prove it was a Rod Of God weapon, then you could spin it that this implied that Israel was innocent and that the American Deep State is probably to blame, or you could even start pointing fingers at others. After all none of these people ever do anything wrong hey? Always its someone else. So if you want to alibi the terrorists go down that route.

    There. I’m helping you out. But your initial idea is dead.

  31. Keep looking through videos. You’ll get to the nuclear explosion soon enough.

    I’ve looked at half a dozen video clips now, but all I can say about what I see is that it looks like an explosion: I can’t tell from looking at it whether it’s in Beirut and I also can’t tell from looking at it whether it’s nuclear (although I used both those words as search terms). How can somebody tell from looking at a video where it is, and how can somebody tell from looking at a video whether it’s a nuclear explosion?

  32. In West Texas there was an ammonium nitrate explosion in 2013. There was at least 60 tonnes of ammonium nitrate present. The investigators say that 30 tonnes detonated after a very extensive fire. So ten times as much as in Beirut. If 2,750 tonnes creates 3.5 on the richter scale (not even close) then 30 tonnes would have to lead to an earthquake circa 4.5 or more which is ridiculous.

    Thirty tonnes is not ten times as much as 2750 tonnes. Thirty tonnes is 1.1% of 2750 tonnes.

  33. Yes you are quite right J-D. Good call. Meanwhile the Lebanese President is hinting that a missile may be involved and he is asking France for Satellite assistance. The missile in the film could only be seen on the negative. And its a skinny missile.

  34. Meanwhile the Lebanese President is hinting that a missile may be involved …

    When people hint things, sometimes the things they hint are true and sometimes they aren’t. When Presidents say thing, sometimes the things they say are true and sometimes they aren’t.

    The missile in the film could only be seen on the negative.

    How did you find out about that?

  35. The missile was on youtube and now it is banned from youtube. Which proves its validity, given the individuals who are in a position to ban the missile video from youtube. I showed you how to find some of it on bitchute. But that was a very short clip. So we just have to wait for people to post more of the missile footage on bitchute. May as well wait a couple of days and pick more of the missile footage up on bitchute. That way you can watch the nuclear missile frame by frame.

    Looks like Israel was caught out in that they knew their missile would be next to invisible to the human eye. So they would not have worried about it. But the missile turned out to be easy to see on the negative. So you can interpolate that this set of circumstances would lead to an oversight. Because a missile designed for combat is being used for terrorism. In combat you don’t worry about the negative after the fact. Thats only an issue if you are using the missile for terrorism.

  36. I showed you how to find some of it on bitchute.

    What’s that? I’ve never heard of it before. How did you find out about it?

  37. CSR,

    You get so many things wrong, I hardly know where to start.

    (1) You can’t do simple math. As J-D pointed out, “Thirty tonnes is not ten times as much as 2750 tonnes. Thirty tonnes is 1.1% of 2750 tonnes.”

    “Experts told Insider that the blast likely had an explosive yield of several hundred tons of TNT equivalent. Jeffrey Lewis, a nuclear and conventional weapons expert at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies in California, estimated the yield to be “between 200 and 500 tons (of TNT equivalent), looking at blast damage, the shockwave, seismic signals and the size of the crater.”

    That much explosive power is at least two orders of magnitude (100 times) greater than the GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast (nicknamed the “Mother of All Bombs”), the most powerful non-nuclear weapon in the US arsenal with a blast yield of around 11 tons (of TNT equivalent).” – Fintecology.

    https://fintecology.com/2020/08/06/how-big-was-the-explosion-that-devastated-beirut-business-insider/

    These numbers makes sense. ANFO produces a blast power equivalent of TNT of about 0.3. Now three tenths of 2,750 is 820. So, 2,750 tonnes of high quality ANFO optimally detonated would produce a TNT explosive equivalent of 820 tonnes or 0.82 kilotonnes. However, the wharhouse did not have ANFO, it had sub-optimal ammonium nitrate detonated by fire (and maybe fireworks present too). The stacking would likely not have suited optimal detonation either. If we assume it was 1/2 to 1/4 as effective as prime ANFO we still get 400 to 200 tonnes TNT equivalent. This matches the expert’s assessment. This cross-check of lands in the same ball-park. The blast is feasible for the amount of ammonium nitrate present, even detonated very sub-optimally.

    (2) You seem to have no awareness that pictures and motion vision can be be easily tampered with and faked with all the modern tools of imagery for making movies, computer games etc. Plenty of 15 to 20 year old kids have access to this image technology and can rapidly fake stuff.

    (3) “The missile was on youtube and now it is banned from youtube. Which proves its validity,”

    Do you have any idea how stupid this reasoning is? Sorry, silly question on my part. You patently do not know how stupid this reasoning is. According to you, if anything is banned that ipso facto proves its validity. Have you not considered that the footage is faked as per point 2 above?

    (4) While you disbelieve anything official (and I can understand that in some cases), you display extraordinary credulity for every bizarre and faked-up claim under the sun or on the internet. You continue to present no genuine evidence, only bizarre claims that your own wild opinions are equivalent to the truth on every topic.

    You have not answered any substantive points. You have not provided any substantive evidence for your case, only wild-eyed cockamamie conspiracy stories based on easily faked footage.

  38. How the fake videos are based on pre-existing videos. There’s even a mention of the bird-misinterpreted-as-a-missile one that I picked up on and mentioned earlier in this thread.

  39. Yes the West Texas example is clearly not applicable.

    What is interesting about this example though, is that you have this animation wherein they have to try and explain why 30 of the 60 plus tonnes detonated. This is not natural, it takes special circumstances, and unless you are going to treat all the ammonium nitrate with some sort of special fuel oil you cannot expect the 2570 tonnes of the stuff to detonate as one coherent unit. The 30 tonnes detonating didn’t lead to the rest of the stash doing likewise simultaneously.

    In the Beirut video we see the fertiliser burning. Then we have a smaller but still ver large explosion. Then we have the separate nuclear explosion coming from behind and deeper. Then we see the rest of the fertiliser smoke still visible when the water evaporates. Its all in the video.

    We don’t expect the entire amount of untreated fertiliser to detonate. And we didn’t see it detonate. We saw a separate explosion from behind and down.

  40. Yeah I see you posted a failed debunking videos.

    I shall tell you how the failed debunking video works: By putting the real colour and negative side by side he has an excuse to cut the vision of the missile out. So you know. Debunking fail.

  41. CRS,

    Where is the evidence that it is a nuclear explosion? Radiation signature? Blast Signature? Are you aware that all the major nuclear power nations of the world can detect a nuclear blast from space and with ground stations? The all know the science. They all have the instruments. The radiation, shock-wave and seismic signatures are all diagnostic. Conventional and nuclear blasts have radically different signatures. The shock-wave signature is one. Clearly in your impervious ignorance you don’t know this. Surely Russia or China or Iran or Pakistan would point the finger with definitive data as proof: making such data available to the whole world. Why would they all protect Israel? I suspect even countries like Syria and Saudi Arabia have geiger counters. Heck, there are probably even a few in Lebanon.

    Stop saying “We saw”. None of us saw the real event. Some of us have seen some footage. None of us has even seen all the footage. You have seen doctored footage and you are not even cognizant of the fact. When you say “we saw” you mean “I saw what I wanted to see”.

    Present real evidence or cease and desist this nonsense.

  42. CSR,

    LOL. Either you are unutterably stupid or a very good troll. I am going to be generous and assume the latter. Congrats, you are a very good troll!

  43. The evidence on the mainstream media is not a smoking gun. You see the actual nuclear explosion. If you cannot get that evidence when you see it, you won’t get any evidence in a month of Sundays. Only immediately induced normalcy bias stops you from seeing this. Oh yes, if you must, it could be the rod of god I’ll grant you that. But for shorthand you see the nuclear explosion. I’m not going to keep mentioning the rod of god disclaimer every single time.

    Plus if actually witnessing the nuclear explosion isn’t enough for you, you have the signature of the crater BEHIND the warehouse fire. Not underneath the warehouse fire. Behind it. Industrial accidents, nuclear bombs, and rod of god … thats three different crater signatures.

    Can you get down there with a geiger counter? See if you can pick up extra radiation in the water? And if you can do this, without being assassinated, will the newspapers take notice of you? Mayor Bloomberg outlawed geiger counters in New York, so if anyone went and picked up the nuclear radiation at ground zero, then they could never admit to it. No-one so much as batted an eyelid when that law went down.

    One way to deal with the radiation problem is to explode the nuclear weapon underwater. But the best way is to have a 100% compliant Western Pravda and kill anyone you see taking readings. We got the nuclear isotope information in New York and 70 000 people died from what could be thought of as radiation problems there. They suffered horribly under Sars-2 in New York and likely because of pre-existing lung problems from 2001. But no-one cares.

    Any video that proposes to show a missile in real colour will indeed be faked up. So forget those ones. They are planted there only to be debunked. Israel was never going to send a missile easily visible to the naked eye. We were very lucky with their oversight. We were lucky to pick the missile up on the negative.

  44. In the Beirut video we see the fertiliser burning. Then we have a smaller but still ver large explosion. Then we have the separate nuclear explosion coming from behind and deeper. Then we see the rest of the fertiliser smoke still visible when the water evaporates. Its all in the video.

    How can a person tell from looking at a video whether it shows fertiliser burning? How can a person tell from looking at a video whether it shows a nuclear explosion? All I could tell from the video I saw was that it looked like what I would expect an explosion to look like, but I couldn’t tell anything more than that from what I saw.

  45. Keep looking I say. I got it the first time. Where the centre of the explosion was, and looking at the symmetrical shape of the separate explosion and where this implies the epicentre is. Matching that with the crater.

    I think people only miss what they are looking at, because their mind is repelled by the implications.

  46. “In the Beirut video we see the fertiliser burning….”

    It’s significant that a person, apparently living in isolation, whose intellect has been immersed in an historic mass of YouTubes, can assume that he represents a “we”.

  47. Someone a oage or 2 back told usnall about actual physics of explosion ‘AN’ – so much sand I couldn’t be bothered checking.

    Ikon called it as delusional. And younaall are still trying ro ‘sxore points’!

    And WORST OF ALL – AND DON’T EVEN REALISE IT – ,providing dataset and training for deep fakes.

    ‘AI-Generated Text Is the Scariest Deepfake of All

    Synthetic video and audio seemed pretty bad. Synthetic writing—ubiquitous and undetectable—will be far worse.”
    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-text-is-the-scariest-deepfake-of-all/

    Energy and brains wasted and used by the dark side. And playing with delusions for you egos.

    CEASE! PLEASE.

    JQ please close this sandstorm.

  48. WASPs – get your hands off your nobby egos and DO SOMETHING USELFUL…

    Beirut explosion: How to help those in Lebanon

    Lebanese Red Cross 

    The Lebanese Red Cross, an independent disaster relief organization, is the main provider of ambulances on Lebanon. After the blast, the organization set up triage and first aid stations, and dispatched ambulances to help those impacted.

    You can donate to their efforts here. 

    Lebanese Food Bank 

    With food insecurity already prevalent because of the increase in food prices, the need for increased access to food remains in the wake of the explosion, which destroyed Lebanon’s primary grain silo. 

    The Lebanese Food Bank collects and distributes food to those in need in Lebanon. You can donatehere. 

    Save the Children

    Save the Children is an organization that works to provide education, health care, protection, and emergency relief to kids around the world. 

    In response to the explosion, Save the Children launched the Lebanon Children’s Relief Fund, accessible here, which will fund “the urgent needs” of children and families. (Save the Children has field workers on the ground in Lebanon.) 

    While 90 percent of funds collected through the Lebanon Children’s Relief Fund will specifically be earmarked for Beirut relief,10 percent of funds will go towards general emergency reserves for the Children’s Emergency Fund, found here. You can also donate directly to this fund to protect children impacted by disasters, including to those in Lebanon, though the donation is not earmarked specifically for Beirut. 

    https://mashable.com/article/how-to-help-beirut-lebanon/

    Ever wondered why not too many snowflakes and other genders here. Just read your energy generating a sandstorm.

    Like Insaid to May the other day, I crushed my machine fun mouth.

    Weak. As. Piss. Unaware. Ego driven. Lucky I have goggles. Everyone else has left the storm.

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